I am thinking of developing a django / ruby on rails frame work for java , (may be java on rails :)) .Can any one give me some pointers to start with,I know we have grails or play framework in java. But any tips will be help will be helpful
I think that you have somewhat answered your own question. The steps I would go through are
fully understand django / ruby on rails
look into Grails and Play Framework, specifically looking at the source code and the architecture of the framework
come up with an architectural plan of how your new framework would work.
I would suggest not doing this on your own though. You would be much better off trying to gain support from other developers who see a similar need as you have, and try to do this collaboratively. They will question design choices and help to ensure a better all round product.
You can take a look at http://javalite.io. This is a full stack database and web framework for rapid development, much like rails, but for Java devs.
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Does anyone know if there is any equivalent to Microsoft's ASP.NET Model View Control Framework with Visual Studio/C# but for Eclipse with Java?
Or put it another way one could build a website in C# using MS Visual Studio with ASP.NET MVC, is there anything similar for Java using the Eclipse IDE?
I've built up good knowledge with Java and the Eclipse IDE creating some Android Apps that I'd like to leverage, now I need to turn my attention to web apps and I'd like to stick with Java and the Eclipse IDE. Cheers!
There are a bunch. I'd check out Play!
but there are also: Apache Wicket, Spring MVC and some others.
There is also a version of Play! for Scala which is a bonus if you intend on moving up from Java to Scala one day.
There is also a similar question with a more detailed answer here:
Choosing a Java Web Framework now?
Spring MVC is worth a look. Spring goes way beyond "just" MVC, with APIS for DB, JMS, and loads more, which may be a little offputting if you're just keen to get to grips with an MVC platform, but it's arguably worth it.
http://static.springsource.org/spring/docs/current/spring-framework-reference/html/mvc.html
http://static.springsource.org/docs/Spring-MVC-step-by-step/
Tapestry or Wicket is worth trying.
Yes, there are a lot of them. Your problem is that there are too many, actually. Narrowing down the list can be a challenge. Everybody has their favorites (mine is Apache Tapestry, because it's actually fun to use, and very powerful).
My recommendation is to pick 3 or 4 (I'd go with Tapestry, GWT, Spring MVC and Wicket), and then spend a couple days working through the introductory tutorial that each of them offers. You'll soon know which one feels right to you, and you'll be basing your decision on your own experience rather than the strongly-worded opinions of strangers.
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I am a .NET developer (and have been for a while now). I work for an organization that was just recently acquired by a larger company whose primary development language is Java. There are a few .NET developers, but the ratio of .NET to Java has decreased substantially now that the teams have merged.
That being said, I've decided it would be best for me to start Java development. However, most of the books I've seen so far for "learning Java" all take a very basic approach (what is a class, OOP principles, etc etc). I am comfortable with this part of development and don't need a primer (unless there are differences so profound that someone recommends the fundamentals from a Java perspective...).
Anyway, I'm looking for a book recommendation for Java development from a software developer's perspective that discusses today's techniques. For example, MVC architecture, application best practices (I am a web developer, this includes web services), is it worthwhile to work with JSPs or consider Ruby instead, etc etc.
A HUGE bonus would be "learning through doing". Something like Murachs, where I can step through a project from start to finish, and is light enough on fundamentals that I don't get bored. I'm hoping to walk away with enough basic knowledge to volunteer for some internal projects and grow from there.
I'm sorry if my question is needlessly broad, but I'm struggling to find a starting point aside from my Eclipse installation (I am doing this on Ubuntu, deliberately avoiding Windows).
Thanks for any direction or insight you can offer.
EDIT - After discussing with a co-worker, and reading Bert's great suggestion (all of them have been excellent, thank you all very much), it turns out the main focus is on EE, and Glassfish. They use NetBeans for development, since it is tightly bound to Glassfish.
This doesn't mean much to me, except that I think the parallel drawn is IIS/Web apps to Win32 apps. But perhaps it will help clarify some of the more open-ended questions in my OP.
Effective Java By Josh Bloch
It may not be "learning by doing" but it gets into the details of how to use the Java language effectively.
I would then complement it with Java Puzzlers by Josh Bloch and Neal Gafter
My best bet is to learn Spring based on your requirements:
MVC architecture, application best
practices (I am a web developer, this
includes web services), is it
worthwhile to work with JSPs or
consider Ruby instead, etc etc.
You can start by visiting SpringSource at http://www.springsource.org/
There are a few points I would like to make to you:
The basic Java language is rather small and C-ish. To my understanding C# and Java works almost identically here.
The Java runtime library is VERY, VERY BIG, and rather unlike C#. Very few people know all of the Java 6 runtime library well.
There are several IDE's in common use for Java. You will want to learn the one used by the rest of the team.
I would suggest having a brisk walk through the Oracle Java Tutorial, just to get the hang of the spirit and do some of the exercises, and then look at the common "Java for C# programmer" cheat sheets on the internet. Then do a lot of code, and then read Effective Java.
(For those who think they know Java 6 runtime well, please consider if you are familiar with RMI, the Rhino Javascript engine, and XPath in the XSLT implementation and all the rest)
Please look at the following thread:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/75102/best-java-book-you-have-read-so-far
Ruby makes no sense unless you're writing JRuby on the JVM.
If you're writing web apps, you'll need to know JSPs written using JSTL (JSP standard tag library), servlets, HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. Download Tomcat from Apache - it's a servlet/JSP engine that will let you deploy web apps locally for learning. It has an HTTP listener built in, so you don't need IIS or Apache.
You'll need to know how to create and deploy a web archive (WAR) file. That's a ZIP file that contains the standard format for a web application.
I'd have a look at the Tomcat "first web app" docs to get a feel for it.
Once you have that, come back and talk about frameworks. (When you do, I'll recommend Spring.)
Here are some references I like. I'm sure there are better, but there are the ones I have read and can vouch for:
Java in a Nutshell is a classic summary of the core language. If you need more, there are books like Java for Programmers for programmers transitioning to Java (I have not read it).
Sun's Core Servlets and JavaServer Pages was a good book for Java servlets and JSPs. But consider that a lot of web tech is built on top of this (e.g. Spring), so this may be giving you foundation but not direct knowledge of the specific framework you will be using. Also a lot of web tech these days are client-side/JavaScript/AJAX-based, e.g. jQuery.
As for MVC, consider focusing on MVP instead. I been playing around with Google Web Toolkit to leverage my Java background to create client-side apps, but it is also a good way to get some idea of MVP - read Large scale application development and MVP Part I and Part II, and the GWT MVP Development with Activities and Places. However, GWT keeps evolving.
My last suggestion is that you narrow your focus - try to figure out what frameworks are popular at work and decide if you want to focus on a tier: front (e.g. HTML/CSS/jQuery), middle (e.g. Spring), or back-end (e.g. Hibernate). Once you figure this out, then post a more specific question(s) (e.g. what are the best resources for learning XYZ).
Just from my experiences with java (limited but I took a Web Dev course teaching JSP's) Any decent technology for it is usually 3rd party. However, from what I can tell when doing web dev I would use Netbeans, Netbeans has Tomcat built in especially in Ubuntu for easy debugging.
More on similar lines you can find answers from this post
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3820437/life-after-head-first-java/3820449#3820449
The Java landscape is quite wide as you probably have already figured out.
There are hundreds of frameworks and tools that can be used for basically doing the same thing. To get an idea, you can take a look at this presentation written by Matt Raible, where he compares a number of Java web frameworks.
As someone else suggested, you should definitively take a look at the Spring Framework. It is widely used in the enterprise world. There are several good books about Spring.
If you want to get the basics of Spring MVC in a "tutorialized" style, you can take a look at this book. It doesn't cover the latest Spring version (3.0) and it is not a "perfect" book, but it should allow you to get the basics while running some examples.
Also, there are literally thousand of Spring-MVC tutorials on the web.
For instance, you can take a look at:
http://www.adobocode.com/spring/a-spring-web-mvc-tutorial
RESTful services are also quite popular these days. I have been working with the Resteasy framework from JBoss and I found it very easy to setup and work with. This book explains the REST architecture and uses Resteasy as framework for the examples.
I also recommended "Head First Design Patterns" from O'Reilly. It covers the most important patterns using Java and it will help you to see how the language can be used for patterns you may be already familiar with.
One more suggestion: you may considering "tuning in" on Java TV. It's a great resource with hundreds of Java tutorial videos. It covers a wide spectrum of technologies so you should be able to find something for you.
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Hi All,
I'm thinking about which framework to choose for web applications. There are so many web frameworks and I'm afraid of trying all of them - it could be time consuming and I wouldn't have to found much with simple examples.
I have experience with jsp, jsf1.2, struts1. I can say I don't like pure jsp with tags. Struts1 again is quite similar to jsp in my view but a bit better. I do like jsf, I find it quite simple to use :), but I'm worried about performance. We used icefaces and lack of get support was really bad.
I know there exist other frameworks, like spring mvc - could be good? . grails, ruby on rails, wicket, gwt, struts2,jsf2
What I need, I'd like to have a versatile framework which doesn't restrict me and at the same time it's no problem to create features e.g: ajax.A bit easier to develop in but still fast I would be scared to sacrifice performance for ease of development.
I do not have any production experience with other frameworks I named.Do you have? Could you share it please? What would you use?
Thank you very much.
Any experience appreciated.
Here's my take:
I have experience with jsp, jsf1.2, struts1.
You have my condolences.
I can say I don't like pure jsp with
tags. Struts1 again is quite similar
to jsp in my view but a bit better. I
do like jsf, I find it quite simple to
use :), but I'm worried about
performance. We used icefaces and lack
of get support was really bad.
I don't care for JSF or Struts.x at all.
I know there exist other frameworks,
like spring mvc - could be good?
Yes, Spring is very good. It's much, much more than a web MVC framework as well. It's performant, it's got traction, it's got the financial backing of VMWare. I think it's the clear winner in the Java EE space.
. grails.
Grails is built on Spring and Hibernate.
, ruby on rails,
Not Java.
wicket,
Could be good. I have no experience with it.
gwt
Write Swing, turn it into JavaScript. I have no experience with it.
I think Spring is a clear winner. It's been on top for five years and hasn't lost a thing.
For a presentation layer framework: There is plenty to choose and I cannot really recommend one over another as I have only worked with one or two.
For a general framework to build your application, I recommend Spring. It is well known, support is ok and it is usually very easy to hook whatever specific-purpose framework you may want to use.
http://www.jodd.org/ seems to be a very good, fast and open framework that includes many facets needed for webapplications.
For the presentation layer, GWT with Uibinder could really match your demands :
you build your pages with xml
(pretty much like jsf/facelets)
it's designed to be fast
it's a google product, with a really
big community
it's really well integrated with
eclipse and easy to start using it
I am wondering if anyone can shed some lights on the situation. I am about to start a project and trying to figure out what solution is best to go with asp.net or java jsp pages
I have personally worked alot with .net and am really happy with the framework and Visual studio as IDE I find it easy to work with and there is a massive community support behind .net, i can get alot done quickly
I have not every written anything use java jsp, there will be a learning curve here , so my experience is limited here. however after seeing jira i am very impressed with its capabilities, it has changed alot since the old days ( java 1.2 ) that i used to work with, and the fact that it runs under linux is a huge plus, so i am trying to decide is the learning curve, worth the price ?
so given the situation above what would you recommended?
Thanks,
Amir
JIRA is issue and bug tracking software; it can function with any development environment, so it has no bearing on your choice of development platform.
If this is an important project or has time or budget constraints, use the platform you are familiar with that works for you.
If you have the time and inclination to learn a new platform, there is certainly merit in that. More importantly though, who will maintain this when you are not around? Will it be deployed to an environment that is already .NET-centric?
Few apps are deployed in a vacuum (unless you work for NASA), so consider all of the peopleware issues as well as the technical ones.
If .Net is what you're used to and the only real advantage you care about in JSP is that it runs on Linux why not take a look at Mono?
http://www.mono-project.com/ASP.NET
Ya jira is in jsp and is a magnificent tool. But its not like you could not have developed something similar in ASP.NET.
Personally, i always go with a technology that i am confortable in. In a professional environment we have to deal with several other factors like time, teams knowledge in various technologies, deployment and maintainence.
you should concentrate on your core tech and do it in ASP.NET as you havent done anything in java before.
I have worked with Django before and have recently seen the Play framework.
Is this the Java community's answer to Django? Any experiences with it? Any performance comparisons with other Java web frameworks?
Edit:Almost similar to this question, the responses, unfortunately don't say much about the framework.
Play! is a breath of fresh air into Java and bypasses all the Enterprise cruft that has evolved over the years. Even the namespace is just play not com.playframework. It is supposed to be an answer to Rails, Django etc and is MVC based. It is needed for Java to stay relevant in all but deep entrenched enterprise shops.
Play! reduces the overabstraction and painful configuration of old Java. It is a complete stack it does not rely or play to the old Servlet/EJB methodology like Restlet tried to do (making REST easier in Servlets). Play! is a great REST based Java framework that is a valid contender to other platforms MVC frameworks.
It is very RESTful and it is easy to bind a parameter to a java method. They have also made JPA much easier to use through their play namespace.
play.db.jpa.Model
public void messages(int page) {
User connectedUser = User.find("byEmail", connected());
List<Message> messages = Message.find(
"user = ? and read = false order by date desc",
connectedUser
).from(page * 10).fetch(10);
render(connectedUser, messages);
}
Python is used for scripting instead of builds with Maven which might save a few lives.
I haven't been this excited about a Java framework since Red5 or Restlet. A bonus is they have easy ways to get your app up on Google AppEngine as well using the Java version of GAE.
I have been using Play! now for a few months and in fact have come to love the framework. I struggled with Rails and Django a bit, mostly because I am really not a fan of dynamically-typed languages; however, there was never a really good web development framework for Java to compete with these. In terms of productivity, Rails and Django were the leaders for the MVC arms race that was going on. Play! is awesome, it's concise, scalable, powerful, and it has a great community that is growing all the time. If you're still really into using a language like a Python or Ruby, you can use Play! with Scala too. I am really trying to get into Scala right now because I think it has a great future and it's a lot of fun to use. Anyway, I would recommend giving it a try!
The Play! framework is a really good piece of software, and that the JavaEE bloated environment should be inspired from.
I moved from Java -> Django because of the fast cycle "modify file" / "reload browser", and the Play! framework makes me came back to my favorite Java language.
It could also be compared in some terms to what Grails and in general dynamic languages in Java (Groovy is used in Play!) are trying to import: simplicity, speed and reliability.
I am also a Django user. I've just visited the Play framework and skim thorugh its documentation. It has the simplistic design Django has been known of. It even has app engine support built-in. I'm sure many java developers will support it, and it only need some time to see cool plugins from the community.
We recently started using Play for building a webservice for various mobile applications. I come from a Java environment. I can tell you that the learning curve isn't all that steep--literally in an hour I had the webservice running with basic API already. One week later we were on Amazon Web Services. I definitely see a future for Play as it simplifies web development for Java developers.
Couple of things that I noticed however (asset versioning, etc.) still are not built into the framework, but i'm sure they'll be there in time. I would say it is definitely worth a shot using Play.
I come from a very strong java background. So my answer here could be a little biased.
Play finally brings to the java community what django has been for all these years in the python community, but just a way better.
Play is built on the jvm therefore inheritance all the goodies from a solid platform that has been proving over the years to be the most reliable and scalable one that allows to write and run applications at scale.
I want to say that I did try django. Its popularity among the web community made me curios and I wanted to give it a try.
Strangely I did not find it as easy to use as I had expected.
So many configurations. Too may libraries doing the same thing and often not play very well with each other. A way too much magic.
Furthermore, not having type safety makes very hard to manage and maintain
web application at big scale.
Don't get me wrong, I am pretty sure that people managed to do it, but in my experience I still find java/scala best suited for this, especially when you share the code base with a lot of other developers.
IDE support for Java it is unbeatable. If you implement TDD you will find yourself refactoring code and moving things around on the daily basis. And java IDEs give you all this power. With type safety and more.
My take away is that as long as you find yourself writing a simple CRUD application/prototype/toy without even thinking too much of advanced features and big scale then you can probably find some advantages on using python/django. Otherwise the whole java ecosystem wins hands down. And play is the cherry on top.