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This is a clarifying question regarding the AsyncTask class and a specific example of using the class to do a networking operation(grabbing data).
How is the onPostExecute method running synchronously after the doInBackground operation any different than having the main thread do all the work(onPostExecute and doInBackground)?
That main thread would do these operations sequentially, grabbing network data an then performing the work in onPostExecute.
From the docs:
When an application is launched, the system creates a thread of execution for the application, called "main." This thread is very important because it is in charge of dispatching events to the appropriate user interface widgets, including drawing events.
In other words, ALL UI-related tasks occur on the same thread, and it is called the main thread or UI thread.
When your app performs intensive work in response to user interaction, this single thread model can yield poor performance unless you implement your application properly. Specifically, if everything is happening in the UI thread, performing long operations such as network access or database queries will block the whole UI.
Simply put, when the UI has to wait for some I/O, data retrieval or data processing to complete before it can finish rendering the screen, your application "hangs" till that process is complete.
The user might then decide to quit your application and uninstall it if they are unhappy.
I think this is self-explanatory.
There are simply two rules to Android's single thread model:
Do not block the UI thread
Do not access the Android UI toolkit from outside the UI thread
Hence, everything not related to the UI MUST be done in a separate thread, and everything related to the UI MUST be done WITHOUT any kind of parallel processing.
So how do we perform parallel processing ? Android offers different kinds of parallel processing based on your needs:
1. Good old Java Threads
2. Handlers
3. Activity.runOnUiThread(Runnable)
4. View.post(Runnable)
5. View.postDelayed(Runnable, long)
6. AsyncTasks
7. IntentServices (Services DO NOT run on a separate thread).
On a side note, Android specifically enforces that all network operations be performed on a separate thread, else a NetworkOnMainThreadException is thrown.
Now coming back to your question :
My question is how is this difference form just running everything on the main thread? I know that onPostExecute has to wait for the xml do in background retrieve to finish which will still lock up the ui for the user?
What happens is that if the device has more than one core, UI rendering is done through one core (the main thread) while the doInBackground() method is executed on the other core (the AsyncTask thread), and the onPostExecute() method is called on the main thread only after doInBackground() has returned. This means that onPostExecute() is also waiting for the UI to finish rendering, as both UI rendering & onPostExecute() occur on the main thread.
Now if the device has only one core, everything will happen on a single core, but doInBackground() will be executed on a separate thread, and onPostExecute() will be called only after UI rendering is complete and doInBackground() has returned.
I hope this was helpful.
Further Reading:
1. Understanding AsyncTask – Once and Forever
2. Is Android’s AsyncTask executing tasks serially or concurrently?
It's not about efficiency: network I/O is explicitly prohibited in the main thread (at least, starting with Android 3.0). Thus, some way for offloading these tasks into a background thread is necessary.
AsyncTask is just a very convenient mechanism for achieving this.
See How to fix android.os.NetworkOnMainThreadException?
Thats is simple. If you download your stuff on main thread, it will block your UI and ANR dialog can show up. Your Activites are tied to XML:
setContentView(R.layout.activity_main);
But if you use Asynctask, new thread will be started, which is not related to UI. So after you start your Asynctask, you can still show anything you want, buttons will be clickable, etc. If you would download it on your main thread, user can think the application froze and quit, altrough it was just doing some calculations.
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I read a lot about threads but don't understand yet :( let me explain to you what I have learned about threads. all we are working on such as codes any thing worked on UI thread or Main thread right? After that what happens if we call runOnUiThread? and my other question how do we know it's Time to use a new thread? I mean how do we understand we are working on another thread or replace or code in the new thread?
I know this is an unclear question but I don't understand as well. Please help me Thanks, john.
Let me try to answer. Actually Android has Main Thread (also called as UI Thread) and other thread.
Main Thread is basically for showing UI and other thread is for processing other big processes such as connecting to the server, etc.
runOnUiThread is called when you want to move from other thread to main thread. It is needed since only main thread can show/display result on UI. So when you have done some process on other thread, and you want to display the result on the apps, you need to show it on main thread by calling runOnUiThread.
We working on other thread only if it is a big or lengthy process like taking data from the server, load data, etc. And we move from other thread to main thread whenever we want to show some UI result.
Easiest way is to use AsyncTask<> class. You'll need to override three functions.
doInBackGround(...) : The codes that gets executed in background thread.
onPreExecute(..) : code that gets executed before background thread
completes executing like displaying progress bars, etc.
onPostExecute(...): Code that gets executed after background thread
has completed running. Perform task like updating UI in here
One general rule of thumb is: Don't use multithreading if you don't need to. Multithreading is always error-prone, and in many situations there's no benefit. Basically, you start a new thread whenever you execute a lengthy operation (i.e. some extensive computation like image processing) that would block the main thread for some time, so the application would become unresponsive.
I am struggling with the some threading stuff in android.
The situation is, that I have a table, which is getting filled during ui actions of the user.
And this table is added to a queue. I chose LinkedBlockingQueue until now.
(Please correct me if this is a bad Idea).
At the same time there is a background-thread, that should fetch (read) the queue and prepare another table, which itself then is passed to a method, which should be invoked on the UI thread.
(Meaning, the background-thread only collects the queued table in background in order to pass them to another method later on ).
So I read about the various approaches to do this in some ways and found myself in the AsyncTask.
But AsyncTask only allows me pre execution or post execution as options to invoke methods/code in the UI thread.
I want to decide myself, when I invoke some methods on the UI thread , because the background-thread still has to do some work after he invoked the method in UI thread.
Ah, as information: The background-thread never stops unless the user exits the application or a special idle timeout occurred.
And : Invoking the mentioned method on UI thread will also be parametrized.
But async task only allows me pre execution or post execution as options to invoke methods/code in the ui thread.
No. onProgressUpdate() also runs on the UI Thread. You run this function by calling publishProgress() in doInBackground() when the UI needs to be update while background operations are still running.
Here is an answer with an example of using it
publishProgress() Docs
Make sure to read through the AsyncTask Docs thoroughly several times. They are a bit tricky at first until you get it.
I am still confused at threads. Still I could see some answers which points to threads, UI thread, background thread, main thread etc. (mostly on AsyncTasks and updating UI from background threads etc.)
Could anyone give me a complete explanation around these or some links at least?
It would be great if the answer covers the following cases:
Which are all the threads that's involved:
When I am running an activity (setting the content view, attaching some buttons, some dialog messages)
An activity with AsyncTask
A Background Service
A HTTP call
UI thread (main thread) - it is crucial to instantiate (add) all UI elements on this thread, that is why it has a nickname UIThread
AsyncTask - has methods doInBackground, onPostExecute, etc. Sort of its own lifecycle
Background Service (service) A service runs by default in the same process as the application. in its own thread. (as pointed out by #MisterSmith) A service runs by default in the same process as the application. in its own thread. Therefore you need to use asynchronous processing in the service to perform resource intensive tasks in the background. Services which run in the process of the application are sometimes called local services.
Thought you can specify to run a Service in its own process:
Running a service in its own process will not block the application in case the service performs long running operations in its main thread. But as the services runs in its own process you need to use some interprocess communication (IPC) to communicate to your service from other parts.
HTTP call executed using HttpClient (from docs:
Thread safety of HTTP clients depends on the implementation and
configuration of the specific client.
), has to be executed on non-UI thread by using new Thread(new Runnable(...)).start();, otherwise you will get NetworkOnMainThreadException thanks to #vikram. But it seems that HttpClient.execute() method is executed in a thread, that is why it requires a handler as one of the parameters in order to pass the result to the corresponding handler (handler runs on UI thread and can update widgets (UI elements) as it is needed)
Extra:
To force something to be executed on your main thread use yourContextInstance.runOnUiThread(new Runnable(....));
In order to determine if current thread is UI(main) thread:
Looper.getMainLooper().getThread() == Thread.currentThread();
Interesting question about threads in a service:
Does a runnable in a service run on the UI thread
Why UI thread is responsible for all this?
Because UI thread is in charge of dispatching the events to the
appropriate widgets (UI elements), which includes the drawing events
Sources: this that and a little bit of that and some of that
When I am running an activity ( seting a content view , attaching some buttons, some dialog messages )
Usually only one thread (the main one, sometimes incorrectly called UI thread).
Activity - with async task
Again, by default only one (the main one). Menus and button handlers also run in the main thread. AsyncTask is a different story. It creates a worker thread (btw you should be careful not to leak it when exiting the activity).
Background Service
A service runs by default in the main thread. So do broadcast receivers. And this is why the main thread is not (only) the UI thread. Some types of services (like the popular IntentService) spawn a worker thread though.
An http Call
Is a synchronous operation, so it blocks until it completes (and this is why you should never perfom one in the main thread).
Technically speaking an application can have as many threads as it wants, they are arbitrarily created by the programmer.
However, the standard android application by default has one thread. That is the main thread, and is often referred to as the UI thread (as it is the only thread with access to the UI). By default everything happens in the main thread.
If you run an async task, different parts run in different threads, here's a basic breakdown:
onPreExecute() runs in the UI thread and is first called when you execute an async task.
doInBackground() runs in a newly spawned thread separate from the main/UI thread.
onPostExecute() runs in the UI thread after the background task returns.
A background service runs entirely separately from the application, it can run indefinitely even if the original application is destroyed.
An http call happens on whatever thread you call it on, but as a requirement of newer android API's you can no longer do any network activity from the main/UI thread. (This will actually cause an exception and terminate your application) This is to prevent slow network calls from blocking the main thread and therefore creating a choppy user experience.
Which are all the threads that's involved:
When I am running an activity (setting the content view, attaching some buttons, some dialog messages)
UI Thread or Main Thread is involved here.
An activity with AsyncTask
Both UI Thread and WorkerThread is involved.
AsyncTask enables proper and easy use of the UI thread. This class allows you to perform background operations and publish results on the UI thread without having to manipulate threads and/or handlers.
The 4 steps
When an asynchronous task is executed, the task goes through 4 steps:
onPreExecute(), invoked on the UI thread before the task is executed. This step is normally used to setup the task, for instance by showing a progress bar in the user interface.
doInBackground(Params...), invoked on the background thread immediately after onPreExecute() finishes executing. This step is used to perform background computation that can take a long time. This step can also use publishProgress(Progress...) to publish one or more units of progress. These values are published on the UI thread, in the onProgressUpdate(Progress...) step.
onProgressUpdate(Progress...), invoked on the UI thread after a call to publishProgress(Progress...). This method is used to display any form of progress in the user interface while the background computation is still executing.
onPostExecute(Result), invoked on the UI thread after the background computation finishes. The result of the background computation is passed to this step as a parameter.
A Background Service
The IntentService class provides a straightforward structure for running an operation on a single background thread. This allows it to handle long-running operations without affecting your user interface's responsivenes
A HTTP call
NetwokrkOperation can't be executed from UI Thread ( or MainThread). So use alternatives like AsyncTask or HandlerThread
Related posts:
Handler vs AsyncTask vs Thread
Why use HandlerThread in Android
Asynctask vs Thread vs Services vs Loader
Pardon my questions, as I'm still very new to programming so I don't fully understand the concepts of mainthreads, and async tasks, and services, and threads. I'm reading the documentation about Services for Android because I want to perform some tasks off the main thread. It says:
If you need to perform work outside your main thread, but only while
the user is interacting with your application, then you should
probably instead create a new thread and not a service.
1.Are they saying that a "thread" stops immediately after you leave the app (i.e: Home button)?
For example, if you want to play some music, but only while your
activity is running, you might create a thread in onCreate(), start
running it in onStart(), then stop it in onStop(). Also consider using
AsyncTask or HandlerThread, instead of the traditional Thread class.
See the Processes and Threading document for more information about
threads.
2.If threads are baked into Java, why does android have AsyncTasks?
Remember that if you do use a service, it still runs in your
application's main thread by default, so you should still create a new
thread within the service if it performs intensive or blocking
operations.
3.Does this basically mean, that almost every service is basically going to have a thread created inside it?
4.Would it be bad to start an AsyncTask inside of a service?
1.Are they saying that a "thread" stops immediately after you leave the app (i.e: Home button)?
A Thread should be destroyed when the Thread that started it is destroyed. So, if you start a Thread in an Activity then it should be destroyed when that Activity is destroyed or transferred to a Service. For instance, you can start music in a Thread and update the songs there but if you want it to keep playing when the Activity is destroyed then it should be moved to a Service
2.If threads are baked into Java, why does android have AsyncTasks?
An AsyncTask allows you to perform background work and easily update the UI before, during, and after the background work is done by utilizing any of its built-in methods except for doInBackground() because it is the only one that doesn't run on the UI Thread
3.Does this basically mean, that almost every service is basically going to have a thread created inside it?
Not necessarily but you could create a Thread inside of it
4.Would it be bad to start an AsyncTask inside of a service?
No. You could do this.
AsyncTask is a great way to do background work. Its methods make it very easy to update the UI. But you need to read through the documentation carefully (maybe even a few times) to make sure you completely understand how to use them. Also, remember that these are for short-lived operations so they can be good for downloading network data but shouldn't be used for things that last more than a few seconds (According to the docs)
A thread doesn't stop immediately when you leave the app. The suggestion to use a separate thread is only so you don't block your app's GUI.
AsyncTasks actually use a ThreadPool behind the scenes as creating a thread is an expensive process. If you have many short lived tasks, using AsyncTask is just a quick, easy, but efficient way to execute them without blocking your application's GUI.
Yes, essentially. A service is more heavy weight than a thread though. Using a service in place of a thread is not a good idea. Also services can actually be made to execute on a whole other process. Just FYI.
No. It would be a good idea, if you've many short lived tasks to execute.
If you are only trying to execute tasks off the main thread, you don't need a service. Just create another thread.
AsyncTask behind the scenes just submits your task to a thread pool for execution. If you have many short lived tasks, like parsing networking traffic, AsyncTask is great.
However, if you are handling a huge amount of requests, you might want more control over the thread pool executing your tasks.
No
Because a main thread controls the UI while asynctasks can make heavier tasks while keeping the UI lag-free.
No, but if you want your service to make heavy lifting like loading stuff from internet then it should use an asynctask. Most services are used to load data from internet so most of them have asynctasks. Note that for the service to be kept alive after the activity dies, you must specify it. Services by default die along with the activity unless configured properly
No
You might be confusing by thread and task and process.Task is small kind of process.An process
is a pro-gramme that running in your system example when start your task-manager it is showing all the process running like Internet-explorer but thread is small lightweight process means you can say sub-process that in execution for performing some task but asynchronous in android is just similar to thread but it may-be long.Take a example in android you are playing temple-run in android-phone ,and some-one is calling you so that high priority task will performed and current thread is paused there and so many method are there
like onCreate() ,onPause(),you can understand it.
I recently looked through SO to find the answer to the same question here, but there was not an answer directed at the question in regards to the risk of doing so. But basically I want to run another AsyncTask inside the doInBackground() method of another AsyncTask. Is this a bad approach and/or does it leave any potential side effects?
I know that running it in the onPostExecute() works and so far from past experiences I have not had any issues due to the fact that onPostExecute() runs back on the main thread which started a AsyncTask to begin with.
From the API docs:
•The task instance must be created on the UI thread.
doInBackground() runs on the background thread. So you cannot create and run another asynctask from doInBackground().
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/AsyncTask. Have a look at the topic under threading rules.
When an asynchronous task is executed, the task goes through 4 steps: (Straight from the doc)
1.onPreExecute(), invoked on the UI thread before the task is executed. This step is normally used to setup the task, for instance by showing a progress bar in the user interface.
2.doInBackground(Params...), invoked on the background thread immediately after onPreExecute() finishes executing. This step is used to perform background computation that can take a long time. The parameters of the asynchronous task are passed to this step. The result of the computation must be returned by this step and will be passed back to the last step. This step can also use publishProgress(Progress...) to publish one or more units of progress. These values are published on the UI thread, in the onProgressUpdate(Progress...) step.
3.onProgressUpdate(Progress...), invoked on the UI thread after a call to publishProgress(Progress...). The timing of the execution is undefined. This method is used to display any form of progress in the user interface while the background computation is still executing. For instance, it can be used to animate a progress bar or show logs in a text field.
4.onPostExecute(Result), invoked on the UI thread after the background computation finishes. The result of the background computation is passed to this step as a parameter.
When first introduced, AsyncTasks were executed serially on a single background thread. Starting with DONUT, this was changed to a pool of threads allowing multiple tasks to operate in parallel. Starting with HONEYCOMB, tasks are executed on a single thread to avoid common application errors caused by parallel execution.
If you truly want parallel execution, you can invoke executeOnExecutor(java.util.concurrent.Executor, Object[]) with THREAD_POOL_EXECUTOR.
Also you can consider using an alternative RoboSpice.https://github.com/octo-online/robospice.
Can make multiple spice request. Notitifes on the ui thread when task is complete. Worth having a look at robospice.
AsyncTask(), with the exception of the Honeycomb releases, execute serially. So, no, you cannot execute another AsyncTask() from within doInBackground() -- I guess I should say that I've never tried it, but it's highly unlikely you're going to achieve the desired affect.
I asked about AsyncTask() execution during one of the Google Office Hours. Straight from their mouths when asked, "Why did it change from serial to parallel and back to serial execution?"; "Because it broke a lot of stuff."