I've been developing a small card game which is called "Tarneeb". The game itself looks like Bridge card game but with different rules. Anyway, i finished the entire game as a standalone desktop application using Java 6. This is a picture of the game. Anyway, i now need to transform that into a web app with multiplayer capabilities, so the users can for an example make a new room and join existing rooms where the game is played.
Unfortunately, I have no idea on networking in Java but i searched quite a lot and i found some other Java products that may help me (JavaFX, JSP, GlassFish) but i still couldn't figure out what i exactly needed to accomplish my task. All i need right now is the direction to head to and i will do my research and hopefully learn the new skills needed.
Other answers have already pointed you to some resources.
But the biggest problem you will likely have is that it is usually impossible (or extremely time consuming up to a complete rewrite) to "add" multiplayer capabilities afterwards if you didn't plan the architecture accordingly.
As you might have a lot of interaction and a lot of updates which I should - correct me if I'm wrong - be at the client as fast as possible, I'd suggest having a look at Cometd which keeps the http connection open to each client and pushes the updates from the server to the client. If you're using jetty as webserver (and thus its "continuations") it's even highly scalable.
The thing is, there isn't one standard way of doing this which you need to read up on.
How do you want to implement this web application? As an applet? Using standard web pages? As a web start application which people have to download?
The last option would allow you to re-use most of your existing code. If you go with that option it may be worth you looking into RMI as that will probably fit in with your existing architecture.
But otherwise, as S.Lott pointed out, you need to go and learn how to make web applications before doing anything else. Those tutorials would be a good start, also you should definitely learn (X)HTML, JavaScript, and a Java web technology such as JSPs, JSF, or Struts. Exactly what you need will depend on your requirements, without more details it's diffiult to recommend one.
First, learn what a "web site" and "web application" are.
Do the tutorials: http://java.sun.com/developer/onlineTraining/index.jsp
Watch the Glassfish Tutorials: http://java.sun.com/javaee/overview/screencasts.jsp
Once you've done all the tutorials, you will have built a web application.
After you've built the tutorial web application, you can build your web application.
Web apps are very badly suited for the kind of realtime interaction you have in a card game. Yes, it can be done, but it will involve dirty hacks and you'll always have problems with high latency and broken connections. And of course you'll have to completely rewrite most of your app.
If there a possibility of running the game as a Java applet? That would make your job much easier (enable much more reuse) and the end result more usable.
There is no way to port a client based app into a web app quickly. Depending on how you want to go about it, it sounds like you either need to pursue a JSP/Javascript solution or a JavaFX solution. JavaFX actually allows for smoother (smoother than JSP/Javascript, but still going to take more than an afternoon =D ) porting of client based apps, but it has a steeper learning curve than JSP/Javascript technology in general. An interesting note here is that JavaFX isn't just a web app language. If you had coded your initial client based app in JavaFX, you would have about 50% of the work done.
JavaFX
Use Java NIO, it is quite simple and if you will grasp the basics, there would be no real need in all these countless libraries... or anyway you would know their internals. One of the important things however, mentioned here already, is that the game structure has to be adapted for networking from the start. It may be a complete rewrite in the worst case. Basically, you will have to create clients database, socket connections, and from the server side, every connection (represented by a SelectorKey object), should be encapsulated into an object, representing a "joined client". Then read/write operations would be performed to the key's socket. But there is more. The server will have to be the center of your application link, so that you will have to develop an entire network messages protocol for your game (over TCP, there is no need in UDP in this kind of game). Also - read more about the protocols (TCP/UDP/sockets, ethernet), the more you read - the better.
Also! Pay attention to the HTML5 websockets stuff. It is a great thing!!!
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I am not new to software developing, but in the last years I was almost completely involved with web applications development, most likely to PHP with MySQL/PostgreSQL.
Now I am changing focus. I would like to start programming for desktop applications, with Java. The decision about language was motivated by the following reasons: it is a mature language, has space into the market, it is multiplatform, full of resources, and has some very nice IDEs (I am using netbeans 6.9).
I am not new to OOP concepts (or most of them at least), but Java has a huge gamma of solutions (technologies, frameworks and so on), and I am getting lost with that. Can't decide what is the most appropriate solution to adopt and learn from.
That said, let's get to the point. I will describe the software targets, some things I has adopted so far, and expect someone to give me some trail to follow filling the messy points.
My application is a small business application. Usual stuff about products, sales, cash management. It needs to run into a small office, with some computers (not a fully standalone desktop application). Not every user can do everything. Some would have privileges to access financial stuff, others only sell, others only fulfill products, and so on.
Per above highlevel definition, we know that it will operate like a client-server application. One server will be installed into just one machine, all others will just have the client. I am using HSQL as backend for persistence.
Would like to use Swing to build the UI (to keep theming based on the OS). Possibilities for the client include sending email (not directly, but through some already-set email client [Thunderbird, Outlook]) and printing (to any available printer in the network).
For this I am using Desktop API.
Alright, finally we got were I am loosing the grip: which framework / technology do you recommend to make development quick (pre-built forms based on the available tables), and as modular as possible?
As I said, different users would have different privileges, but instead of just checking and disabling, I would like to keep modules separated. In different packs, or something like that.
EJB? BlueJ? JavaBeans? OSGi? Swing Application Framework? I'm kinda lost with those. Any help will be appreciated.
If you're lost, keep it simple.
For the kind of desktop apps you describe, you'll need Swing and JDBC. If you switch to web, substitute JSPs written using only JSTL and servlets. You'll have to know HTML and CSS to write JSPs. You can embellish those with JavaScript as needed.
You'll go a long way with just those.
The others you mentioned are just noise until you become more comfortable:
EJBs are for enterprise scale apps. You get to leave a lot of complex stuff like threading, object pooling and lifecycle, etc. to an app server and concentrate on expressing your business logic in distributed, transactional components called Enterprise Java Beans. Not necessary to start.
BlueJ is a beginners IDE designed to shield folks from the complexities of Java. I wouldn't recommend it.
OSGi - modular deployments for web apps. Not necessary to start.
Swing App Framework? I'm not familiar with it - I don't write Swing. If you mean Spring, I think it's an excellent framework, but not necessary to start.
This is a bit off-topic, but I think it should be said anyway.
My application is a small business application. Usual stuff about products, sales, cash management. It needs to run into a small office, with some computers (not a fully standalone desktop application). Not every user can do everything. Some would have privileges to access financial stuff, others only sell, others only fulfill products, and so on.
You are attempting something very ambitious here. There are countless existing applications for doing this kind of thing for small business, some of them household names. What makes you think that you can can do better? What makes you think you can compete?
The fact that you are new to Java makes this doubly ambitious.
My advice would be:
If you have dreams of making lots of money out of this, forget it. You are >10 years too late.
If you are doing this for some client, your company or yourself to use, they / you would probably be better off using an off-the-shelf business application.
If you are doing this for "the public good", you labors would be more fruitful if you joined some existing open source business application project.
If you are just doing this "for fun" ... go for it. (This doesn't strike me as a "fun" project though ...)
Starting off with java, swing desktop app is normal... I must say though that the components included in the default, i never liked, i thought they were too ugly. https://substance.dev.java.net/
Is a look and feel lib for java.
So do your app, think it through though and make sure you have some sort of design in mind.
Its easier and often faster if you have an idea of where you're going visually than if you just start coding and hope you reach somewhere you like.
Get paper and pencil out,scribble little notes and drawings of your GUI.
You don't necessarily need frameworks and the lot, if your app will need to store data then look at the JDBC driver to connect to mysql, or have a look at embedded databases such as HSQLDB...
The application is vb.net front end and sql server express backend. The networks are always cabled LANs.
Installations are small with only a few users, none of whom would have any technical knowledge.
Very little technical support is ever called for and I'd like to keep it that way.
I don't know Java or Objective C or HTML/CSS/Javascript which as far as I can see seem to be the choices for smartphone development on Android, iphone or web based application
I want users to be able to access as much of the functionality of the application as possible for the least effort both in terms of coding and acquiring new skills on my part.
I don't know where to start or which would provide the easiest path.
I don't know how to make the database available to smartphones whilst keeping it physically secure in a small office.
If all things were equal I'd probably learn towards HTML/CSS?Javascript as it seems to be the most widely applicable.
On the other hand maybe I should wait for win phone 7?
To reach the largest number of users in a device independent manner then delivery via browser is going to give you the best results for the least effort.
If you have designed you existing application with a Data Access Layer, a Business Rules Layer and a User Interface layer, this may be as simple as creating an ASP.NET UI for mobile/internet/intranet users.
If your appliciaction is not designed this way, then my approach would be to seperate out the code in you existing into these three layers, or at the very least seperate the UI layer out of the existing code. Then it just a matter of implementing a UI layer for each access method you plan to use.
That way you end up with a lot less code to maintain, and when the businees rules or backend data changes you only have to do the change in one place for all you User Interfaces.
Well, .NET Compact Framework is already avaialbe on WinMobile, so you defenitely should give it a try if you're free to choose which mobile OS to target.
If not, I suppose that for task like this it would really be better to use web interface. If you don't now HTML/CSS/JS - as for me it's not a problem but a great chance to learn new interesting trendy things! :)
I would go with a simple html app designed for a mobile screen.
Android or iphone will only get a % of your users. If you want to get them all, you would need to write in both (and then blackberry and winmo are SOL).
So without seeing the application, it is very hard to know how much work converting vn.net to something you can get at from a web browser would be... but I don't think it would be much worse than a port to android or iphone, and it will allow a much bigger market to view.
Either way, you will need to learn something new. Learning is good though, right?
Ok so sorry for being, I guess, a bit off topic but still I think this is the best place to ask. My new semester just started (don't worry I won't ask you to do my homework) and this time we have a rather cool subject about www programming in general where we have to do a web service, web abb - whatever as long as it's "web". Here's the problem though, my team and I want to do it with Flex and Java EE but we don't have much experience about what are they actually used for. I mean we know you can do virtually anything with it, but we don't really want to lose time on doing something useless. My first idea was to do a "brainstorming" 3D room/service - a place where people could log in have a video conference, a whiteboard, a place to upload pictures everyone could see, some toolbars for google, youtube etc. plus some other features which would make real-time brainstorming easy when you can't get everyone in one place. But is Flex+Java EE really suitable? I mean I'm 99% sure it's doable but is it really worth doing it in Flex+Java EE or was the whole purpose of Java EE completely different?
#EDIT: well this was only one of our ideas obviously. I do know the basics of JSP, Servlets, JPA etc. of course but yeah the main goal of this project is to get some actual experience. The problem is we don't really know is it worth doing something like let's say a social network (something like extended facebook) for gamers (doesn't really matter if it already exists) in Java EE or would it only look ridiculous (because PHP or whatever would be a far better choice)? Bottom line is that we are wondering are only large scale applications (for banks etc.) written in Java EE or is it good for anything (even the smaller projects)?
Adobe Connect has many of the features you describe above and was built using Flex and a Java-based backend. The biggest challenge in a real-time collaboration app such as Connect is that each user needs a way to get frequent notifications of what other users are doing. You really can't get away with polling the server every 5 or 10 seconds because the app won't be responsive enough. For this reason technologies like AJAX's "Comet" or Adobe's BlazeDS / LivecycleDS messaging have emerged. BlazeDS runs on top of Java and has a data push feature that should be sufficient for a school project; its limitations are that it is HTTP-based and has trouble scaling to large numbers of users on a single server.
I always seem to have this internal struggle when it comes to user interface. I build up an application "engine" and tend to defer user interface to after I get my algorithms working. Then I go back and forth trying to decide how to let a user interact with my program. Personally, I'm a fan of the command line, but I can't expect that of my users generally.
I really like what's possible in the browser in the age of web 2.0 and ajax. On the other hand it's not so hard to make a Swing front-end either, and you can generally count on a more consistent presentation to the user (though using a good javascript framework like YUI or jQuery goes a long way toward normalizing browsers).
Clearly both approaches have their merits and drawbacks. So, what criteria / parameters / situations should lead me to use a lightweight (e.g. web-based) GUI? What criteria / parameters / situations should lead me to use a heavier (e.g. Swing-based) GUI?
It is not my intent to start a flame war, merely interested in the community's constructive/objective opinions.
Edit #1
In light of the first few responses, I would like to clarify that I would like to deploy my application regardless, not host it on some internet server necessarily. So I would have to deploy with a light-weight web-server infrastructure a la Jetty/Tomcat or similar.
It depends on the application and this is essentially a usability driven question (though there are considerations like data storage and platform requirements). Think of the pros and cons.
Pros of a lightweight Web UI:
Ease of distribution
Platform independent
Ease of maintenance
Cons of a lightweight Web UI:
Less environmental control
Markup standards vary between browsers
Requires a web server and everything that goes with it
Pros of an executable UI
More environmental control (i.e.: full screen applications, etc)
Not necessarily subject to latency and outages
Cons of an executable UI
Pushing updates may be more difficult
Requires installation
Potential platform requirements (frameworks, packages, etc)
Potentially requires knowledge of advanced networking topics (web services, etc)
One small factor you may want to consider is that the user will have go through some type of installation (albeit minimal) if you distribute a swing application.
Also a web application will allow you to accurately track the usage of your application (via google analytics or something similar). Not sure if that's a concern but it may be useful to you in the future.
If it is a client-server application I would normally go for a web frontend for the application.
You will save yourself of countless problems with things like installed JRE versions, distributing upgrades, application permissions, disappeared shortcuts...
You need to break the requirements of the application down to decide this...
Do the users have Java of sufficient version installed? It will need to be, to run a Swing GUI.
Do you have a web server?
Do you need the flexibility of a Swing GUI or the accessibility of the web interface?
Is Java Webstart and option, if so, you can distribute a Swing GUI via the web.
Does your application perform extensive calculations or processing? If so, a client app may be the answer.
There are a million questions such as these. I would suggest a brain storming session and keeping track of all the pros and cons of each, adding a point score, than throwing it all away and going with your gut feeling :)
If you anticipate there being frequent updates to the app then web based may be better since the user would not have to update the client or install a new client containing the updates.
If you think that the user may need the ability to use the app while not conencted to the internet then swing would be better.
Just two things off the top of my head.
Think about the users and use cases of your project.
Do users expect to have access to it when they're disconnected from the Internet (for example, on an airplane or in a coffee shop with no Internet access)? Use Swing.
Do you want users to be able to access the same tool from different computers (for example, both at work and at home)? Use a web UI.
Also consider whether the user needs to save and load data, and whether the tool produces data files that some might consider sensitive (if so, storage on the web might be an issue).
Do make a quick guess I often try to ask myself/customers if the application has a high "write" demand.
For a mostly read-only application a thin-client solution is perfectly well suited.
But if a lot write actions are needed then a swing desktop application has more flexibility.
Personally I always prever a swing desktop application. It can easily deployed using Java Webstart.
Not knowing anything about your application I can not give the best recommendation possible. However I can state from personal/professional experience that installing an application on clients machines is a LOT more of a pain in the ass than it seems.
With AJAX/web you really only have to worry about supporting like three browsers. Installation messes/updates are only felt once when you deploy the product to the web server.
With like a stand-along Swing app, you get to deal with the really really big mess that is installing the application onto unknown systems. This mess was so bad that things like AJAX were really pushed along to make web apps behave/feel like a real native app.
Alright, so I am a compsci college student who, being in college, has not branched out towards a certain specialization yet. I have been programming since I was a young teenager, certainly know my stuff - well versed in about eight different languages as well as compsci theory, etc. In addition, I have about four years of web programming (PHP mainly) behind me, having started freelance work in that area since web 2.0 became hot.
My summer job now as an intern of sorts is to write an application for an industrial, not software-related startup. This application will be used to manage production lines and logistics flow. I have chosen Java for my language because I don't want to shoot myself in the foot.
I am well-versed in the syntax of Java, in its data structures, language theory, and such, but I have absolutely no idea where to start. I can picture the program perfectly in my mind, I understand the problem clearly and got the solution's theory nailed. Namely, I have no idea what libraries to use, and am scared that they won't be well documented.
Here are some general outlines of what I'm going to make:
Two applications, one server and one
client (of which there will be many
copies).
The server and clients obviously will
communicate via (I don't know).
Both the server and the client
software will have GUIs.
The server software will have to
query a MySQL database.
The client software must be 'live' in
the sense that the GUI updates when a
change is made to the database. This
is one of the reasons why it can't be
a web application.
I'm not even sure if a framework is right for me or not. I've used MVC tons of times in my web freelance work, but I dont know how that will translate for desktop applications.
In short, I'm looking for the right libraries for the job, as well as advice on whether or not I should use a framework (and if so, which). Thanks.
This is a summer intern job? To be honest, this sounds more like a major project if you ask me. You say the start-up is not software related? Who came up with this idea? Do they have any idea of the (huge) scope that something like this might actually entail?
The business of software development is something quite different to language syntax and libraries. It's about requirements gathering, defining a spec, writing code, ensuring quality of that code, having it tested and so on. These are not things an intern should reasonably be expected to pick up. For something like this you should be under more experienced supervision, someone you can learn from, someone who has done this before.
That being said, unless there's a really good reason, I would probably do such a thing as a Website rather than a desktop app. Desktop apps are a lot more complicated in many ways. You need to code both a client and a server. Communication is a bit trickier. You have to worry about the issue of maintaining state in multiple applications, how to handle updates being pushed around and so on.
In short, it's a big job. Even a Web site is a big job but a lot of these issues go away. You could do this with Java. I've certainly coded my fair share of Java Websites but PHP might be a far simpler bet.
Also, desktop development on Java is, well, torture. Swing is (imho) tried and true but also incredibly painful to develop in. Other desktop libraries (eg Netbeans RCP, Eclipse SWT) are more modern but have other idiosyncrasies.
Desktop remoting libraries include things like Spring remoting, even Web services and other things like Burlap. For the server side, I'd be using either Tomcat or an application server (Glassfish is my preferred choice), servlets and Spring. Persistence can be done via Hibernate or Ibatis (or lots of other options).
But honestly, the desktop option is so much more complex than a Web-based one. You'd probably get a lot more done faster using PHP + jQuery + MySQL.
If you are doing this keep it as absolutely simple as possible. Try to define the absolute minimum you need to initially deliver and do that. Once someone has that they'll then have a better idea of what works for them and what doesn't. Basically it's easier to refine something that already exists vs define something that doesn't.
I recommend that you only build a web application. A web application can be 'live' in the sense you are describing it by using AJAX. It would be much easier to build just one thing. If you also want to have a rich client, then you need to build the UI in a technology you are not familiar with (like Swing or SWT) and design/implement the communication mechanism.
Have a look at Hibernate (ORM tool) and Spring (IoC framework). They have a somehow steep learning curve, but they will make your life easier at the long run. For the UI part perhaps JSF is easier for a beginner.
As a last note, I think you have an over-ambitious plan. What you are describing is not an easy project and requires expertise with a lot of technologies. Do not try to do everything in one shot.
Java Desktop 6 (JRE)
JDBC (built-in in any JRE)
MySQL JDBC drivers (freely downloadable)
for communication you have several choices: RMI (built-in) however this days I recommend
learning something like Java Web Services (JAX-RS)
Libraries?
JDBC for the database. You may want to look at ORM mechanisms like Hibernate
I would recommend the Apache Commons libraries for all your utility work (handling files, IO etc.). There's a lot of stuff there to save you reinventing the wheel.
A standard logging framework like Log4j will allow you to log in lots of different ways, filter your logs and plug into monitoring solutions easily.
You don't say whether browser-based solutions are acceptable for the client/server GUI, and that decision will drive a lot of the further architecture.
If you're looking at browser-based solutions, then I would advise a grounding in servlets regardless of any framework you ultimately choose (no doubt a lot will be recommended here).
By this stage it's getting to be a major project. Perhaps you need to concentrate on getting the fundamentals (client/server functionality) working, and worry about the GUI later. Otherwise it's a huge amount of work (and GUI work can draw an enormous amount of time).
Just one nitpicking:
Both the server and the client software will have GUIs.
I advice you to have a headless (in awt parlance) server, with an administration GUI, not a GUI-server.
Well this can go as wild as you can think of or you can go and do KISS.
If you would like something that is really simple (as in not using any frameworks):
* In the server side you can use RMI. This server side will use plain JDBC to connect to your MySQL database. But some said that this is kind of old, so if you want to get funky you can try JAX-RS which can return a JSON objects/XML to your client.
* Your client can be made using Swing (assuming you are developing desktop) or Servlet + JSP (assuming you are developing webapp) and connect to your server by calling the RMI objects/JSON objects/XML that is exposed by the server.
If you would like to get nasty which will help you in terms of code maintainability you might want to plug-in Spring + Hibernate into this application.
Good luck!