I would like to know if there is any way that I could build a very simple GUI app (it doesn't even have to look good) that will run on a fresh install of Windows Vista and OS X with no other installations needed by the user. I would perfer not to use Java (just out of personal programming preference). I will use it though, if it is the only way. Specically, I am wondering if I can write a swing app with Scala or Groovy and run in on windows without them having to install anything. Sorry if this is a silly question, I am a Obj-C developer by trade.
You can pack the Scala jars into your own, which should work as long as Java is installed (which it usually is on a 3rd party vendor install of Vista or OS X). If you use Java web start, no installations are needed beyond Java itself. Plus, if you're going to install your own code, why not just copy along the Scala jars also?
If you really mean a fresh install--nothing but what the OS provides--then no, I don't think so.
Edit: You do always have javascript on the browser(s). I assume this won't cut it for what you want?
If you really, really don't want to install anything (or carry anything in your app), then write the application as a web app (possibly a javascript app). Then any user can run that UI from any machine with a decent browser. But then, this will require that you host the app somewhere.
If that is not an option, you can develop your app to as a single html/xhtml file containing a self-contained, self-modifiable javascript application (like TiddlyWiki which I use a lot). Then the user user can download on it on his machine, point his browser to it and voila.
If you combine javascript with HTML5 (and assuming the user has a HTML5 compliant browser like safari), your application can use localStorage to keep its state in the user's machine (thus no longer needing to be self-modifiable to save state as TiddlyWiki does.)
But this would break your rule of not downloading anything on the user's host machine. It is a chicken-and-egg problem that has no solution since each OS implements its own set of application libraries. For multi-platform support, you must use a layer that abstracts out differences between operating systems, be it a vm (like JVM, Ruby or Mono) or a set of libraries (Qt, Gnome).
As far as i know you won't be able to accomplish that with no other installations needed by the user. If you violate this restriction, mono (with gtk#) is a good choice.
Scala and Groovy will have the same deployment issues as Java; all of these require a JVM to be installed. You generally have to first install the JVM (which is not included with Windows) and then install your program. Java is included in OS X, however.
It is possible to use Ruby or Python and one of the cross platform libraries (like wxWidgets) and compile these to an executable file that includes the entire set of runtime libraries (e.g. all of ruby and python).
REAL Studio (formally REALbasic) certainly meets this requirement. It creates native applications that have no external dependencies for OS X and Windows (plus Linux).
In theory you could write a .net application using Mono that it should run without issues on any other one with the .net runtime environment installed.
But I'm not sure if it will work on practice.
I've had some success with XulRunner
There's also a couple of recommendations from these questions I asked
Building Cross Platform app - recommendation
Building XUL app a-la SongBird
XULRunner is pretty cool once you get into it, but it's a tad confusing at first (I thought).. the folks on the mozilla google groups are really nice and helpful though!
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I have a question about how to manipulate files from the browser, currently we are using a java applet. To create some folders, replace/delete save some files/folders and execute a shell command with parameters. As we know Chrome no longer supports the npapi and therefor java applets, FireFox will soon follow and my guess is that IE will not stay behind forever.
So the actual question is what's the best way to go?
Should we think about creating plugins (but this then should be done for all major browsers - a lot of work)
Or do you recommend to install an external program, what we can launch on the users system? By for instance associating a specific extension, or by adding a url scheme?
What about this Java Web Start? Does this allow us to communicate with the domino api?
Any other technologies that would be better?
The website we are building is using IBM Domino 9.0.1 XPages (JSF).
Answering to your use case: content management system.
For adding files the HTML5 files API should do all you need. There are plenty of examples including multi file uploads.
It gets trickier when you want to provide a round-trip edit experience. Like you click something and Word, Excel, Impress, Photoshop opens and you edit. When you save it all goes back to Domino.
The solution here is wevDAV. You can even expose Domino views as folders in Explorer / Finder / Nautilus.
For Domino there is a project on OpenNTF that implements WebDAV for documents/attachments on Domino (I wrote it). It might be your best bet.
I think we should be making a distinction here:
things like file access can be done using HTML5 file access, but
things like local administration definitely aren't something that need or should be done from within the browser.
In fact, I always hated that Java suggested that users "need not install any software" to do this and that on their machine, which was a straight lie, considering they downloaded Java Software, had to tell their Java Policy framework to trust that and then that software was able to make local changes. That's just as unsecure as downloading any (signed) executable and making your user execute it.
Java's portability¹ doesn't apply to your use case, as it seems; "executing a shell command" sounds as non-portable as it gets. So, in the end, you either only have one platform you address, or one solution for every platform, in which case you gain no portability by the fact that the same Java executable can run on all JREs (given that's the case, even).
I'd say: It's a good time to let Java for Desktops die, especially since you don't seem to be doing anything that Java is good at² in your application.
As it sounds, the average installer framework can do what you want without you writing any code. There's plenty out there, especially for Windows, which you seem to be addressing; take microsoft's .MSI as an example. You'd end up with a two click, signable, trustable, updateable solution that wouldn't need the user to keep a JRE installed or secure at all.
CLARIFICATION: I really don't hate Java; I don't find it's the greatest language or has the best ecosystem, but whatever makes your application work is fine.
Now, you mention:
To be clear, we are creating a Document Managing System, which used to be on the Lotus Notes client and that we are trying to port to the Web.
That does in fact sound like it might be a good idea to chose any browser and embed that. In fact, Firefox is "merely" an application around a browser core, and you might just modify it (e.g. by writing an extension) to fit your needs. It's not really a "web application", that way, but it would meet your requirements of integration with a web application and local administrative access. I furthermore recommend thinking twice about the shell scripts you need to run locally -- maybe their job can be more easily replaced by another program or even something that is "web compatible" than calling them with local privileges from your web application.
¹ (which was a big thing back in the day, but honestly, Java applications nowadays are about as portable as your average .Net or Qt based application on desktop OSes, but never quite feel completely like home -- it's like portabilities ugly sister if you're portable, but only offer the minimal common subset of functionality and look and feel on each platform)
² ... whatever that might be!
What I'd like to ask is if anybody knows about an hardware USB-dongle for software protection which offers a very complete out-of-the-box API support for cross-platform Java deployments.
Its SDK should provide a jar (only one, not one different library per OS & bitness) ready to be added to one's project as a library.
The jar should contain all the native stuff for the various OSes and bitnesses
From the application's point of view, one should continue to write (api calls) once and run everywhere, without having to care where the end-user will run the software
The provided jar should itself deal with loading the appropriate native library
Does such a thing exist?
With what I've tried so far, you have different APIs and compiled libraries for win32, linux32, win64, linux64, etc (or you even have to compile stuff yourself on the target machine), but hey, we're doing Java here, we don't know (and don't care) where the program will run!
And we can't expect the end-user to be a software engineer, tweak (and break!) its linux server, link libraries, mess with gcc, litter the filesystem, etc...
In general, Java support (in a transparent cross-platform fashion) is quite bad with the dongle SDKs I've evaluated so far (e.g. KeyLok and SecuTech's UniKey).
I even purchased (no free evaluation kit available) SecureMetric SDKs&dongles (they should've been "soooo" straighforward to integrate -- according to marketing material :\ ) and they were the worst ever: SecureDongle X has no 64bit support and SecureDongle SD is not cross-platform at all.
So, has anyone out there been through this and found the ultimate Java security usb dongle for cross-platform deployments?
Note: software is low-volume, high-value; application is off-line (intranet with no internet access), so no online-activation alternatives and the like.
-- EDIT
Tried out HASP dongles (used to be called "Aladdin"), and added them to the no-no list: here, too, there is no out-of-the-box (out-of-the-jar) support: e.g. end-linux-user has to manually put the .so library (the specific file for the appropriate bitness) in the right place on his filesystem, and export an env. variable accordingly.
Full disclaimer: I work for a company that makes software-protection dongles (CodeMeter). But I believe we might have a solution that meets your requirement: we have a single API for all platforms (Win, Mac, Linux, etc both 32- and 64-bits). Each end-user machine merely requires a runtime (service on Windows; daemon on Linux). We use a native Java API which uses TCP/IP to call our runtime, so no special device drivers are required. You can do activations either before you ship the dongle (pre-programming), or via file exchange (NikeNet) on deployments with no Internet access, or you can remove the dongle, take it to a machine that DOES have Internet connectivity and update the license there.
At a higher level than the API we have AxProtector, which is an automated protection/encryption tool that you can use to test our protection system with no source code changes. This would let you test the implementation on all platforms you are interested in--you don't need to create multiple versions for different platforms.
We had a Fortune 100 company use this to protect a Java app that ran on non-Intel Solaris, so we know it's been stress-tested as a cross-platform solution.
We have a free fully-functional eval system which we can get you asap. If you email me at the email address in my profile we can ship you out an SDK and help you quickly determine if this will solve your problem.
You can use Dinkey Pro dongles to achieve exactly this. While they do use separate native libraries for each operating system and architecture you just need to call their Java API and it takes care of any platform specific bits. Wrap the libraries up in a JAR file with the .class (the API) and you've got a neat solution. The dongles themselves are driverless.
I can only recommend to avoid the SecuTech UniKey system. During evaluation the product met all requirements we needed. We started integrating this solution and discovered one issue after another.
Here is a short list of the major issues that are part of the SDK 6.2.7:
Enveloper settings change randomly when saving and loading the same solution (Video).
DLL files that are wrapped with the enveloper do not load.
The console version of the enveloper for script based builds does not work. It is unable to wrap exe/dll's that can be wrapped with the GUI based version of the enveloper.
Support is reactive but does not really tackle the problems.
After all we wasted almost a month of work integrating this protection system, but now have to switch due to the massive quality issues.
I had created a Java Swing Application, I want to run my applications, in all System, Suppose if a System, does not have JRE, then i have to install JRE using Installer in program without aware of the user knowledgeable that the JRE is installed.
There were a few projects for doing this, but from what I can see they all fizzled out - bottom line seems to be that you need a JRE - especially for swing
The best solution is not to try and install anything silently, but instead to assist the user to install Java. Oracle's deployJava.js was designed to do just that, before embedding applets or launching Java Web Start applications.
While on the subject of JWS, it is also a good choice for installing/running & updating Java rich client (e.g. Swing) apps. on platforms that support Java.
You can generate an EXE out of your Java source but you will still need the JVM to run it on the destination System. So its not real native.
There is no workaround for running non native class files reliably or really at all without the JRE.
I'm wondering if there is a standard method for deploying applications originally written in Java, to iOS4 devices.
I assume that the application in original format cannot be deployed - is there perhaps an emulation layer that I can use, or a stable compiler that compiles Java to ObjectiveC?
Option 1:
Use one of several cross compilers, compiling Java to ObjectiveC:
http://www.xmlvm.org/overview/
http://www.flexycore.com/ispectrum-overview.html
Option 2:
Package custom JVM with java application, with restrictions that meet the latest agreement (including no byte-code download capability and no JIT compilation). No JVM specifically designed for the iPhone is currently (Oct 2010) available, though the IKVM might run on top of Monotouch, and Oracle may build a version of the Java SE for the iPhone eventually.
Option 3:
Cross compile Java to one of the existing interpreters that are already accepted on the iPhone (eg, cross compile Java to C# and run the app on monotouch)
With the new current iOS SDK agreement and App store rules, it may be possible for you to embed a Java applet with your own JVM interpreter and runtime engine (but no byte-code download capability and no JIT compilation allowed).
Another seldom mentioned possibility for deploying any non media or graphic intensive networked app, such as many typical Java applets, is to run a customized RDP or VNC viewer on the iPhone and and view a Java app that is being hosted and run remotely.
Mechanically translating some of your code will likely work pending finding a cross compiler / translator. Trying to run a Java based GUI on iPhone is just plain stupid in my opinion. So the smart thing would be to port the GUI by hand.
The problem of course is if the app is mostly GUI you might as well write the whole thing over. Likewise if the app uses APIs that there is not a simple translation for you again might as well rewrite the entire app.
In a nut shell I think Steve J. Was right here, the route you are comtemplating just leads to poor user experiences. It actually makes me wonder why you would even think that a Java based app would be successful on iPhone.
I am working on a java based application and we are looking to ease our deployment of updates. Up until now, we've always simply sent out new install packs & had the sysadmin's on our customer sites roll out the upgrades - painful for a large number of users.
what I'd like to do is something similar to java webstart (or eclipse p2) - when the application starts, it checks for updates in a specified location and then downloads the updates prior to starting.
But here's my problem - I want more control over what's done outside of the scope of plugins & jar files. For example:
I'd like to be able to upate my JVM (we ship a modified version with additional security features).
I need to install DLL's - possibly local to the jar files, sometimes to windows
Occasiontally run MSI's to install windows components (e.g. printer drivers).
I need to modify config files & the registry.
I have found a few applications that support this (such as AppLifeUpdate at http://www.kineticjump.com/) but they tend to be .NET focused and it seems a bit perverse to introduce a .NET dependancy on a java application ;)
I know I could write my own here, but if there is already a 3rd party library out there that supports this kind of facility, then it would make my life a lot easier.
So, has anyone else had a similar problem & knows of some products I could look at?
Thanks, Brian.
I have done similar things but on Linux/Unix, so can't suggest any specific products for Windows. But I always found helpful to either package everything in OS format and distribute everything that way (rpms, debian pkg, Solaris pkg, ...) or have the platform deployed through OS mechanisms and have the application deployed through Java mechanism (Web start).
The reason is that sysadmins typically don't like things that magically update themselves without them knowing or in a way that does not follow standard practices. That is: you can't expect to make your life easier if you are not sure that you are not making their life more difficult...
Also: whatever work I do at the OS level, I do it with OS tools. If on Windows it means using .NET, I would very much consider using that...
Hope this helps!