I am developing a distributed system which consists of different components (services) which are loosely (asynchronously) coupled via JMS (ActiveMQ).
Thus I do not want to reinvent the wheel, I am looking for a (well) known protocol / library that facilitates remote procedure calls inbetween these components and helps me deal with method interfaces.
So let's decompose the problem I am already solving right now via dirty solutions:
A consumer component want's to call a service, thus it constructs a request string (hand-written and dirty)
The request string is than compressed an put into a JMS message (dirty aswell)
The request message is than transmitted via JMS and routing mechanisms (that part is ok)
The service first of all needs to decompress and parse the request string, to identify the right method (dirty)
The method gets called and the reply goes like #2 - #4.
So that looks pretty much like SOAP, whilst I think that SOAP is to heavy for my application and further I am not using HTTP at all. Given that I was thinking that one might be able to deconstruct the problem into different components.
Part A: HTTP is replaced by JMS (that one is okay)
Part B: XML is replaced by something more lightweight (alright, MessagePack comes in handy here)
Part C: Mechanism to parse request/reply string to identify operation name and parameter values (that one is the real problem here)
I was looking into MessagePack, ProtocolBuffers, Thrift and so forth, but what I don't like about them is that they introduce their own way of handling the actual (TCP) communication. And bypass my already sophisticated JMS infrastructure (which also handles load balancing and stuff).
To further elaborate Part C above, this is how I am currently handling it: Right know I would do something like the following if a consumer would call a service, let's assume the service takes a text and replies keywords. I would have the consumer create a JMS message and transmit it (via ActiveMQ) to the service. The message would contain:
Syntax: OPERATION_NAME [PARAMETERS]
Method: GET_ALL_KEYWORDS [String text] returns [JSON String[] keywords]
Example Request: GET_ALL_KEYWORDS "Hello world, this is my input text..."
Example Reply: ["hello", "world", "text"]
Needless to say that it feels like hacked-together. The problem I see is if I would be to change the method interface by adding or deleting parameters, I would have to check all the request/reply string construction/deconstructions to syncronize the changes. That is pretty errorprone. I'd rather have the library construct the right request/reply syntax by looking at a java interface and throwing real exceptions on runtime if I do mess up stuff, like "Protocol Exception: Mandatory parameter not set" or something...
Any projects/libs known for that?
Requirements would be
It's small and lightweight and fast.
It's implemented in JAVA
It doesn't serve too many purposes (like some fullblown framework e.g. Spring)
I think this Spring package is what you're looking for. See JmsInvokerProxyFactoryBean and related classes.
From the javadoc:
FactoryBean for JMS invoker proxies. Exposes the proxied service for
use as a bean reference, using the specified service interface.
Serializes remote invocation objects and deserializes remote
invocation result objects. Uses Java serialization just like RMI, but
with the JMS provider as communication infrastructure.
Related
I'm new to Netty and to get more familiar with it I'm working on building a simple HTTP server. One thing I want to do is deal with routing based on the URI. I looked around for examples and found a few approaches and wanted to see which made the most sense.
Have a "route" handler that will add/remove others based on the URI in the HTTPMessage. This seems inefficient if I have to do this for every single request.
Have the "route" handler wrap the HTTPMessage and HTTPContent inside another object that will then be passed in to the appropriate handler. For example, I can have an InfoHandler that extends SimpleChannelInboundHandler and the router InfoHTTPRequest object. This way the pipeline stays fixed and I'm not changing it on the fly - I am creating more objects though.
Have a single route handler that just has methods to handle the different endpoints. I can have a handleInfo method, a handleUpdate method, etc with each of those having their own implementation and referencing their own dependencies.
PS - I'm using Netty 4.0 and most of my understanding has come from various online research and reading the Netty In Action book.
I use a fixed pipeline which is only responsible for decoding/encoding requests/responses (and optional aggregation, compression, static headers, etc).
The final handler in the pipeline passes off to a configurable RequestResolver (generic to support types other than HTTP) which looks a little like:
public interface RequestResolver<T> {
void execute(#Nonnull ChannelHandlerContext ctx, #Nonnull T req);
}
The request resolver is responsible for deciding how to handle the request (i.e. routing if necessary) and generally passes off to one or more actions that have been registered on it, or returns a 404. It doesn't have anything to do with the pipeline so much, other than it takes a ctx with which to queue responses.
I started using Netty 4 right back when it was alpha-01 and there was no routing framework plugins available, so I wrote my own RequestResolver in Java, more recently I've another written in Clojure which re-uses the Clout routing from Compojure.
This may have already been answered and I just can't find it so feel free to point if needed.
I have a JAVA WSDL endpoint that I can successfully use to generate a reference. I have also used the WSDL sent from the programmers of this end point and again was successful in creating class files to use.
However when I create the objects needed to feed this service, in both cases, I receive an error that he cannot use the payload that I am sending.
Looking at it using the SoapUI tool it seems that his service is expecting some more information in the payload tags that does not seem to make into my classes.
Example: I can create <Tag1></Tag1> but he needs <init:Tag1></init:Tag1>
I don't know where the "init" prefix is getting dropped.
I am using VS 2010 and generating a simple web reference. Any tips would be helpful at this point.
The way I approach these problems is this:
use a same-technology client to connect to the service.
Trace the message on the wire. If ncessary strip out signatures and encryption so that you can get a readable XML message.
now, use the different-technology client (in this case .NET) to build client-side stubs and connect to the service. Trace the message on the wire.
Compare the two, and tweak the different-technology client to get it to match.
I use Fiddler2 to captures the traces of the HTTP messages. If you are not using HTTP then you will need something else.
Keep in mind, what you want is not string equality, but equivalence in the XML infoset.
An element like <init:Tx> may be equivalent to <Tx>, if the default namespace in the latter case matches the init namespace in the former. If you don't quite get what this means, then you need to read up on xml namespaces and get comfortable with the concepts.
In many many cases, I've found that it's XML namespace disagreement issues that cause the lack of interoperability. In one case I found that a missing slash on a namespace (http://foo/bar rather than http://foo/bar/) was enough to cause communication to fail. Figuring out what to tweak in order to get the actual message to match the requirement message is somewhat of a black art - I don't know how to explain it.
in some cases I resort to doctoring the WSDL document to get the different-technology client to do what I want.
good luck.
Yes I have since figured out that using the 4.0 svcutil.exe is the best thing in the world for seeing these issues. Again as I stated in a comment above, I figured out that it was merely a namespace issue and it wasn't .Net that was having the issue but the Java on the other end.
Hopfully this will make it easier to see usinf the specific 4.0 generator...
"%PROGRAMFILES%\Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v7.0A\Bin\NETFX 4.0 Tools\svcutil.exe" /async http://SomeExternalWeb/ExtService.svc?wsdl /ct:System.Collections.Generic.List`1 /n:*,MyNS.Messaging.Services
I love the class generation over the reference generation any day.
Hey guys,
I'm using GWT to code a simple multiplayer board game.
And while I was coding the question came up to my mind:
At first I though my client could simply communicate with the server via RemoteServices calls, so if a client wanted to connect to a game he could do as follows:
joinGame (String playerName, String gameName)
And the server implementation would do the necessary processing with the argument's data.
In other words, I would have lots of RemoteService methods, one for each type of message in the worst case.
I thought of another way, which would be creating a Message class and sub-classing it as needed.
This way, a single remoteService method would be enough:
sendMessage (Message m)
The messages building and interpreting processing too would be done by specialized classes.
Specially the building class could even be put in the gwt-app shared package.
That said,
I can't see the benefits of one or another. Thus I'm not sure if I should do one way or another or even another completely different way.
One vs other, who do you think it is better (has more benefits in the given situation)?
EDIT: A thing I forgot to mention is that one of the factors that made me think of the second (sendMessage) option was that in my application there is a CometServlet that queries game instances to see if there is not sent messages to the client in its own message queue (each client has a message queue).
I prefer the command pattern in this case (something like your sendMessage() concept).
If you have one remote service method that accepts a Command, caching becomes very simple. Batching is also easier to implement in this case. You can also add undo functionality, if that's something you think you may need.
The gwt-dispatch project is a great framework that brings this pattern to GWT.
Messaging takes more programmer time and creates a more obfuscated interface. Using remote service methods is cleaner and faster. If you think there are too many then you can split your service into multiple services. You could have a service for high scores, a service for player records, and a service for the actual game.
The only advantage I can see with messaging is that it could be slightly more portable if you were to move away from a Java RPC environment but that would be a fairly drastic shift.
I'm out to create a fairly simple web service for intranet use. The service will ultimately be the interface to a DB that will allow me to keep track of what the various internal tools within the company are doing. I'm thinking I want a web service so that various tools (and thus different languages) within the organization can easily update the DB without needing to know the schema.
I've read many of the related REST vs SOAP questions already that come up from searching https://stackoverflow.com/search?q=soap+rest but I'm not sure I've found my answer.
My dilemma seems to be that I want the simplicity of REST while also having the code generation abilities of a WSDL, which seems to imply SOAP. It is of utmost importance to me that various internal tools (JAVA, Perl, Python, PHP, C++) be able to talk to this service and it would seem silly to have to rewrite/maintain the interface layer for each of these languages manually when the WSDL route would do that for me. From what I can tell, if the WS needs to change, you would update the WSDL, regenerate the client stubs, and make any changes necessary to the code that uses the stubs (which would need to be done anyway).
For example - say I have a tool written in JAVA that utilizes a RESTful web service. I imagine that the tool will have specific code for dealing with certain URLs, launching the request, doing something with the response, translating that into some data structure if I'd like, etc. Now lets say I also have a Perl tool doing the same thing. Now I'll need Perl code to do the same, make requests on specific URLs get the responses, do something with them, etc. In each case, and thus in C++ and Python and C#, where code cannot be shared, eventually I'll end up with a wrapper classes/methods that hide a lot of that ugliness from me. I'd much rather call a function on a class that returns my data encapsulated in an object instead of having to worry about the URL, the arguments, the response, etc. Sure, maybe its not a lot of code in any particular place but it starts to add up over time. Multiply that out over each of the tools and now when I make a change to the service I must go update the URLs in each CRUD operation and all that goes along with that. I guess I imagine that with a WSDL that is the aspect that is done for you. Your code simply interacts with the stubs. What the stubs do, who cares? Urls, arguments, responses - if anything changes just regenerate the stubs from the WSDL. If that process causes your code to break, so be it, but at least I didn't also have to update all the code that deals with the specifics of making the request and dealing with the response. Is this really not a problem? Perhaps what I need to do is just create a service and a few clients and see what I'm really up against.
While I'm a fairly seasoned programmer with experience in JAVA, Perl, Python, C++, etc, this is the first time I've considered authoring a WS and don't have prior experience with other WSs, so I'm looking for some guidance. Do I just go with WSDL/SOAP and forget about what everybody is saying about how popular, simple, and useful REST is?
I don't get the code generation issue here.
REST rarely requires any code generation of any kind. It's just HTTP requests with simple JSON (or XML) payloads.
You use the existing HTTP libraries (e.g. Apache Commons, or Python urrlib2). You use existing JSON (or XML) libraries. (the Jersey project has a nice JAXB-JSON conversion, for example).
What's "generated"? Our RESTful library in Java and Python are nearly identical and simply make REST requests through the HTTP library.
class OurService {
def getAResource( String argValue ) {
path = { "fixed", argValue };
URI uri= build_path( path );
return connection.get( uri )
[I've left out the exception handling.]
Are you trying to layer in the complex SOAP interface/implementation separation?
A client "written in JAVA that utilizes a RESTful web service"... A "Perl tool doing the same thing" ... "in C++ and Python and C#".
Correct.
"where code cannot be shared"
Correct. The code cannot be shared. You have to write each client in the appropriate language. Writing some kind of "generator" to create this code from WSDL is (1) a huge amount of work and (2) needless. Each language has unique syntax and unique libraries for making REST requests. But it's so simple and generic that there's hardly anything there.
The canonical example in Python is
class Some_REST_Stub( object ):
def get_some_resource( self, arg ): # This name is from the WSDL
uri = "http://host:port/path/to/resource/%s/" % arg # This path is from the WSDL
data= urllib2.open( uri )
return json.load( data )
This block of code is shorter than the WSDL required to describe it. And it seems easier to change because the name is the method name and the URI is simply a string.
In most languages the client is approximately that simple. I just wrote a bunch of REST client code in Java. It's wordier, but it's generic stuff. Build a request, parse the JSON that comes back. That's it.
A RESTful WSDL declaration buries two pieces of trivial information in a lot of XML.
It provides an "interface name" for the URI.
It documents the meaning of GET, PUT, POST and DELETE by providing Stub class method names.
It doesn't help you write much code, since there isn't much code. Note that all REST requests have the same generic HttpRequest and HttpResponse structure. The request contains generic an Entities. The response, also, contains a generic Entity that must be parsed. There's very little to REST -- the point is to be as simple as possible.
It largely eliminates the need for WSDL since everything is a generic JSONObject or XML URLEncoded and sent as a string.
"I'd much rather call a function on a class that returns my data encapsulated in an object instead of having to worry about the URL, the arguments, the response, etc."
Correct, you'll have to write a "stub" class. It has almost no code, and it will be shorter than the WSDL required to describe it.
"Multiply that out over each of the tools and now when I make a change to the service I must go update the URLs in each CRUD operation and all that goes along with that."
You can either update the stub class in each language for each client. Or you can update the WSDL and then regenerate each client. It seems like the same amount of work, since the URI is trivially encapsulated in the client code.
"I guess I imagine that with a WSDL that is the aspect that is done for you."
I'm unclear on what's "done". Translating the wordy and complex WSDL into a simple stub class? I suppose this could be helpful. Except the WSDL is bigger than the stub class. I'm suggesting that you'll probably find it easier to simply write the stub class. It's shorter than the WSDL.
"Your code simply interacts with the stubs."
Correct.
"What the stubs do, who cares? Urls, arguments, responses - if anything changes just regenerate the stubs from the WSDL."
Sadly, almost none of this requires any real programming. Generating it from WSDL is more work than simply writing it. URI's a strings. Arguments are generic JSONObjects. Responses are generic HttpResponses including a JSONArray. That's it.
"I didn't also have to update all the code that deals with the specifics of making the request and dealing with the response."
Except, there aren't any interesting specifics of making the request. HTTP is simple, generic stuff. GET, POST, PUT and DELETE are all nearly identical.
Fossill,
I recommend that you do not bother to learn SOAP for this. Ws-* has a very high learning curve and the (unnecessary) complexity will likely eat you alive.
Looking at your skill set (Java, Perl, Python, C++) you should be very satisfied with a REST (or at least HTTP-based) approach. And: you'll get results very fast.
As S.Lott said, do not worry about the code generation. You'll not need it.
For questions, I suggest you join rest-discuss on Yahoo groups:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rest-discuss/
You usually get immediate help with all things REST there.
Personally, I have yet to see any use case that could benefit from using WS-*.
Jan
The code-generation aspect that you value is a maintenance item, but I question its real worth.
Be it thru a WSDL document or your own grammar documentation for a REST-style implementations, clients have to comply to the published interface. The WS/SOAP (code-generation) development model might have more tools, but I think that's because it's clunky and needs them.
There's no impact in the 'integrateability' of your web service. That's an issue of publishing the formal interface (in whatever form that takes), in either case. And the speed with which you move from an interface change to an implementation change is arguably faster with REST-style services. Firing up (and fighting with) WS-* code generation tools takes time.
FYI - REST does have a WSDL-like auto-generation schema definition called WADL. But almost no one uses it.
Apache CXF has Java support for REST clients that gives you the same sorts of 'code generation' advantages, in many cases, as full SOAP.
I am implementing web services for a PHP application and am trying to understand what both standard web services and RESTful web services have to offer.
My intent is to write wrapper code to abstract away the web service details so that developers can just "instantiate remote objects" and use them.
Here are my thoughts, perhaps some of you could add your experience and expand this:
RESTful Web Servcies
are basically just "XML feeds on demand", so e.g. you could write wrapper code for a client application so it could query the server application in this way:
$users = Users::getUsers("state = 'CO'");
this would in turn get an XML feed form a remote URL
$users could be made into a collection of full User objects, or
left as XML, or
turned into an array, etc.
the query script ("state = 'CO'") would be translated into SQL on the server side
RESTful Web Services are in general read-only from the view of the client, although you could write code which could use POST or GET to make changes on the server, e.g. passing an encrypted token for security, e.g.:
$users = Users::addUser($encryptedTrustToken, 'jim',$encryptedPassword, 'James', 'Taylor');
and this would create a new user on the server application.
Standard Web Services
Standard Web Servcies in the end basically do the same thing. The one advantage they have is that client can discover their details via WSDL. But other than that, if I want to write wrapper code which allows a developer to instantiate, edit and save objects remotely, I still need to implement the wrapper code. SOAP doesn't do any of that for me, it can do this:
$soap = new nusoap_client('http://localhost/test/webservice_user.php?wsdl', true);
$user = $soap->getProxy();
$lastName = $user->lastName();
but if I want to edit and save:
$user->setLastName('Jones');
$user->save();
then I need to e.g. handle all of the state on the server side, SOAP doesn't seem to hold that object on the server side for each client.
Perhaps there are limitations in the PHP SOAP implementation I am using (nusoap). Perhaps Java and .NET implementations do much more.
Will enjoy hearing your feedback to clear up some of these clouds.
They are different models... REST is data-centric, where-as SOAP is operation-centric. i.e. with SOAP you tend to have discrete operations "SubmitOrder", etc; but with REST you are typically a lot more fluid about how you are querying the data.
SOAP also tends to be associated with a lot more complexity (which is sometimes necessary) - REST is back to POX etc, and YAGNI.
In terms of .NET, tools like "wsdl.exe" will give you a full client-side proxy library to represent a SOAP service (or "svcutil.exe" for a WCF service):
var someResult = proxy.SubmitOrder(...);
For REST with .NET, I guess ADO.NET Data Services is the most obvious player. Here, the tooling (datasvcutil.exe) will give you a full client-side data-context with LINQ support. LINQ is .NET's relatively new way of forming complex queries. So something like (with strong/static type checking and intellisense):
var qry = from user in ctx.Users
where user.State == 'CO'
select user;
(this will be translated to/from the appropriate REST syntax for ADO.NET Data Services)
I'm echoing what Marc Gravell mentioned. When people ask me about REST (and they usually have an idea about SOAP and SOA), I will tell them REST = ROA as it is resource/data oriented, it's a different paradigm and therefore has different design concerns.
For your case, if I'm reading you correctly, you want to avoid writing the wrapper code and need a solution that can store objects and their attributes remotely (and having them completely hidden from the developers). I can't really suggest a better solution.. Umm, let me know if either of these ever come close to meet your requirements:
EJB3 / JPA
CouchDB (REST/JSON)
Let me know too if I've interpreted your question wrongly.
If we compare XML-RPC and SOAP, the latter will give you better data types handling, for the former although you will be dealing with simpler data types but you will have to write a layer or adapter to convert them to your domain objects.
yc
Soap is just a set of agreed upon XML schemas blessed by a standards group. It's strength is that it was designed for interoperability and it supports many enterprise-class features. Soap on any platform will not provide the operations you are looking for. You need to design & implement the service contract to get those features.
Sounds like you want remote objects which neither Soap or REST are particularly good for. Maybe you'd be better off looking at XML-RPC.
The key differences are basically tooling.
Many of the high end SOAP stacks shroud the vast bulk of the SOAP infrastructure from the developer, to where you are working pretty much solely with DTO's/Documents and RPC.
REST over HTTP puts more of that burden upon you the developer (negotiating formats [XML, JSON, HTTP POST], parsing results [DOM, maps, DTO marshalling, etc.]).
Obviously, you can write a layer of logic to make dealing with this detail easier. And some REST frameworks have arrived to make this easier, but at the moment, it's still a task on your TODO list when you wish to use or consume such services.
My feedback is that if you want remote state, you are not talking about web services. I don't know about any contemporary model that deal with remote state. I think that if you need remote state you are on your own ( without religion to follow ). Just throw xml from here to there and don't mind the theory.
I have to add that remote state is evil. Avoid it if you can.