I was wondering if someone could give me a clue. The situation is we have one computer that has a server application, the rest have a client application. Now my question is how would i keep track of the server ip address? What I want is have the clients automatically hunt the server application, regardless of the ip address and find it, because using a wireless network computers are using DHCP. So I was wondering is there anything that can be buried in a computer using Java with which other computers can identify the application. Thanks.
The "good" way is to use DNS (imho the ONLY solution in a productive environment), as #Peter Lawrey already mentioned, and i would prefer that solution.
You have two other possibilities:
Let the server broadcast his address on the network.
Let the clients scan the network.
Both this solutions are not ideal, because you create a lot of noise on the network, may be blocked by a firewall, etc. Therefore, i really suggest you to use DNS.
If you can not use the DNS solution i would go with a solution that lets the clients search for the server.
Take a look at this SO question, might get you started.
If they're on the same physical network, your server can broadcast its IP address via UDP to the broadcast address for that sub net.
You could even follow the uPnP standard.
Alternatively, you could host the location of the server from a known other location, like a web server. For example, call an action on the known web server to retrieve the IP address of the server. This allows you to utilize DNS to look up the first host, then go from there.
If you know the DNS-Name of the server you can use that name instead of the IP. Java takes care of the DNS lookup.
Otherwise, I guess the simplest solution is just to scan the IP range of your network and just try to connect to each IP and test if it works.
Other solutions would include broadcasts by the server and would be much more complicated and maybe overkill for a application hosted in a small network.
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I want to develop a software, my proper way is JAVA, It sounds simple, but has its own problems.
I have a Network in which there are some devices ( about 400 radios or more)
I do not know their IP.
I just know the first and second part of their MAC addresses.
I want to find out their IP and the whole Mac address of all.
They are in my network, and i have forgotten their IP, and also MAC.
I found this Link useful, but in this solution it is about remote connection to nmap and also you should known the range of IP.
Note that this not about HACKING Or better to say is not about CRACKING or something like this, I have thousands of Radio's and they have been reset and need to be re-config.
Actually i need their MAC to config more than IP.
There are other questions on the net, but they are about having subnet, I do not have subnet of the LAN Network.
Now i am looking for any solution with java or other programming languages, with ARP or dd-wrt something like that, any suggestion? or any solutions? Any sample?
I appreciate this.
Thx all.
If this is your network, inspect ARP tables form network devices. You get all MAC addresses and corresponding IPs. Use SNMP protocol and corresponding libs to get this data form your Java code.
To test this approach use snmpwalk utility.
I'm working on a server-client project. I hosted server on Google app engine so there is no problem with IP there, all the clients can connect to the server easily. Yet the problem occurs when I try to connect to a client, which is quite complex because I don't have static IP for the clients. Can anyone suggest me a good way for server-client coomucication in this case, without requiring that clients must have static IP address?
Thank you very much.
Well, obviously the client should register itself with the server and update it's IP when it changes.
There is, for example, a program which does exactly that and then publishes the IP with a DNS.
But you should be aware that the IPv4 address space is not that big and a lot of internet clients do not own an IP (and work thru the ISP's NAT). If you have clients that do not own an IP then you might want to stick to the usual Pull: the clients should periodically issue a request to the server to check if there are new messages for them. With a Keep-Alive connection and an efficient server implementation the price of such checks might actually be low, although that kind of communication might not work very well with the GAE pricing.
The system I am developing potentially has a very large number of clients (lets say one million) that need to periodically update a central server with some information. Clients are written in Java.
The specific use-case is that the server backend needs to have an up to date mapping of IP address to clients. But the client IPs are dynamic and subject to (effectively random) change.
The solution I have in mind requires the clients to ping the server to update their IP. The period ideally should be once every minute, but even 1 ping/10 mins is acceptable.
My questions, in sequence:
1M pings per 1 min is over 10k/sec. So first off I want to know
the approaches can scale to handle such a load. This is to know the options available.
Assuming you have more than one solution in mind, which of these
would be the most economical? The cost effectiveness is critically important. I don't have my own data center or
static and fat end-point on the net, so the server application will
need to run on some sort of provider or ultimately on the cloud.
Notes:
I considered running the server from home using my own ISP provided connection, but I am neither sure of the performance issues, nor what my ISP will think about a constant stream of pings.
I can't see how the server can auto-discover these IP changes.
Erik, your problem is much simpler than it seems to have been made to sound.
This problem been around for a decade maybe two. No need to re-invent the wheel here.
Why Polling/Pinging is a Bad Idea
The dynamic IPs provided by ISPs can have a variable lease time, but will often be at least 24-72 hours. Pinging your server every 1-10m will be a horrible waist of resources potentially making over a 4,320 useless HTTP requests PER CLIENT in a 72 hour period. Each request will be say around 300 bytes * 4,320 wasted http requests equals 1.3mb wasted bandwidth multiplied by your target client count of 1 million clients, you are talking about a monthly wasted bandwidth of ~1.2 TB! And that's just the wasted bandwidth, not the other bandwidth you might need to run your app and provide useful info.
The clients need to be smarter than just pinging frequently. Rather they should be able to check if their IP address matches the DNS on startup, then only when the IP changes, send a notification to the server. This will cut down your bandwidth and server processing requirements by thousands of times.
What you are describing is Dynamic DNS
What you are talking about is "Dynamic DNS" (both a descriptive name for the technology and also the name of one company that provides a SaaS solution).
Dynamic DNS is quite simply a DNS server that allows you to very rapidly change the mapping between a name and an IP address. Normally this is useful for devices using an ISP which only provides dynamic IPs. Whenever the IP changes for the router/server on a dynamic IP it will inform the Dynamic DNS server of the change.
The defacto standard protocol for dynamic DNS is well documented. Start here: DNS Update API, I think the specifics you are looking for are here: DynDNS Perform Update. Most commercial implementations out there are very close to the same protocol due to the fact that router hardware usually has a built in DynDNS client which everyone wants to use.
Most routers (even cheap ones) already have Dynamic DNS clients built into them. (You can write your own soft client, but the router is likely the most efficient location for this as your clients are likely being NAT'd with a private IP - you can still do it but at a cost of more bandwidth for public IP discovery)
A quick google search for "dynamic DNS java client" brings up full source projects like this one: Java DynDNS client (untested, just illustrating the power of search)
Other Considerations for your System Architecture
Lets say the IP-client mapping thing gets resolved. You figured it all out and it works perfectly, you always knows the IP for each client. Would you then have a nice reliable system for transferring files to clients from mobile devices? I would say no.
Both mobiles and home computers can have multiple connection types, Wi-Fi, Cellular Data, maybe wired data. Each of these networks may have different security systems in place. So a connection from a cellular data mobile to a wifi laptop behind a home router is going to look very different than a wifi mobile device connecting to laptop on the same wifi network.
You may have physical router firewalls to contend with. Also home computers may have windows firewall enabled, maybe norton internet security, maybe symantec, maybe AVG, maybe zone alarm, etc... Do you know the firewall considerations for all these potential clients?
Maybe you could use SIP as protocol for that purpose ?
Probably the java SIP libs already solved your problem.
Nice app by the way.
I would suggest better tweak you java program to know the IP change and then only hit the web service.
You can do it like,
on your java program initiation extract the IP of machine and store
it in Global variable or better some property file.
Run a batch process/scheduler which will check your IP every 30sec/1 minute for change.Java Quartz Scheduler will come very handy for you.
Invoke the web service in case of a change of IP.
This way it reduces your server role and thus traffic and connections.
You could create your own protocol on top of UDP, for example XML based. Define 3 messages:
request - client requests a challenge from server
challenge - server replies with challenge (basically a random number)
response - client sends username and hashed password + challenge back to the server
It's lightweight and not too traffic-heavy. You can load-balance it to multiple servers at any layer or using load-balancer.
Any average PC could handle million such hits per minute, provided you do server-side in C/C++ (I don't know about java network performance)
Please have a look at how no-ip works. Your requirement is exactly same as what it does.
Do I have the use case right? A community of users all want to receive pictures from each other? You don't want to host the images on the server but broadcast them directly to all the users?
There are two questions here. The first question is "how to know if my own WAN IP address has changed."
If you are not NATed then:
InetAddress.getLocalHost()
will tell you your IP address.
If you are NATed, then using dynamic DNS and resolving your own host name will work.
The second question is something like "How to share pictures between hosts which come and go on the internet".
The possible solution space includes:
IP Multicast, probably with Forward Error Correction and Carouseling, e.g. FLUTE.
File Swarming - e.g. bittorrent.
A Publish/Subscribe message bus solution using Jabber, AMQP, JMS, STOMP or similar. Suitable implementations include RabbitMQ, ActiveMQ, etc. JMS Topics are a key concept here.
The solution should avoid the massive overheads of doing things at the IP level.
We have a Java application running on a portable device and the JVM we're using (CReMe) appears to have a bug where it caches negative DNS lookups, even when we tell it not to. Thus, when we try to make a connection to our server and the DNS lookup fails because the network connection isn't established yet, the application is stuck because it will never perform the lookup again, even when connectivity is restored.
We've tried testing by opening a Socket to a hard-coded IP address, but obviously there's no guarantee that a given IP address won't change in the future. Can anyone suggest another way to verify that we have network connectivity?
You could have a list of IPs and try to open a connection. They could be IPs of machines on your LAN or they could be Google or Facebook's IP.
If you can't connect to any IP on the list, you can assume the network is down.
When the network is up, you can update the list with a DNS lookup.
You could try custom DNS client like dnsjava.
Maybe you can try to use the DNS servers of Google? Doubt they will ever change, and pretty sure they are usually up :)
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I have been struggling with this for the entire day now, I hope somebody can help me with this.
My problem is fairly simple: I wish to transfer data (mostly simple commands) from one PC to another over the internet.
I have been able to achieve this using sockets in Java when both computers are connected to my home router. I then connected both computers to the internet using two different mobile phones and attempted to transmit the data again. I used the mobile phones as this provides a direct route to the internet and if I use my router I have to set up port forwarding, at least, that is how I understand it.
I think the problem lies in the method that I set up the client socket. I used:
Socket kkSocket = new Socket(ipAddress, 3333);
where ipAddress is the IP address of the computer running the server. I got the IP address by right-clicking on the connection, status, support. Is that the correct IP address to use or where can I obtain the address of the server? Also, is it possible to get a fixed name for my computer that I can use instead of entering the IP address, as this changes every time I connect to the internet using my mobile phone?
Alternatively, are there better methods to solving my problem such as using http, and if so, where can I find more information about this?
EDIT:
Would it be possible to have the server program running on a server on the internet somewhere. My original server would then be a client that send information to this server. This server would then pass this information to my original client and vice versa. That way, the IP address of my computer won't matter, as I only need to know the address of the server hosted somewhere on the web. Does this seem like a better solution? Where do I begin implementing such a solution?
Thanks!
When you connected to the server that serves StackOverflow, did you type in the IP address? It's 64.34.119.12, if that jogs your memory.
You probably didn't. You probably typed "stackoverflow.com". There's a huge, complex, clever, and in some ways, poorly implemented system called DNS that translates sensible and human-readable names into IP addresses.
One problem with DNS, though, is you need a "static IP", which is exactly what it sounds like: an IP address that doesn't change, which is exactly what you don't have.
So, what can you do?
You can buy a static IP account from your ISP (pretty expensive)
You can use some proxy out in the Internet (a machine that does have a static IP and is willing to bounce your packets back and forth -- I'm not aware of any service that does this for you; you could write one and put it up on Amazon Web Services or Google App Engine, both of which would be free at your level of usage, but they'd be slow, since every packet trying to cross your living room would have have to go via some data-center in Virginia).
You can keep doing what you're doing, looking in the net-configuration of your machine.
You could speed (3) up a little by having your server program look up its own IP address and print it out where you could see it and type it into the server by hand.
You can use DynDNS, as Sergey mentioned (this is the "right" solution, in that it's very general, it just might be a little complicated to set up)
You can use multi-casting.
Multi-casting is an interesting solution, and it may work for you. The idea is, when your server starts up, it announces to the net, "Here I am, I'm providing X server, here's my IP address, talk to me." The problem is, a multi-cast won't leave your living room. Obviously, if every multi-cast were spread to every computer on the Internet, the whole thing would collapse, so your router will ignore, and not route, multi-cast packets. That may or may not be a deal-breaker for you. EDIT Re-reading your question, I see it is a deal-breaker for you. I'd go with #5, but be aware there may be routing issues (address translations that prevent a server from knowing the address that other computers can find it at) or fire-wall issues (that is, your ISP may prevent your server from receiving incoming packets even if the address is correct).
using a direct socket connection with a port like 3333 is usually complicated because different network configurations.
firewalls will make a pleasure preventing the connection, or killing it from time to time.
maintaining a 2-way connection can be a nighmare. the SIP protocol is struggling with this kind of problems.
For a simple application, i suggest you look into the comet technology, where your clients can establish an http connection with a shared server. The server can then bridge commands between them.
html5 will also bring the websocket protocol to the table.
I got the IP address by right-clicking
on the connection, status, support.
Not sure about the "support" part, and I'm not on a Windows machine right now, but I think that the most easy and reliable way to figure out the IP address on Windows is to run "ipconfig" from the command line (Win+R, type "cmd", then "ipconfig" in the opened window). This, of course, should be done on the server side.
However, the problem is that depending on the ISP your IP address may be not within the Internet, but within a local ISP network (so-called NAT). In this case, you'll need to use some sort of black magic called TCP hole punching, which is very complicated and not guaranteed to work. You can figure out if your address is local or not by looking at it. For IPv4 local addresses are almost always like 10.x.x.x or 172.16-31.x.x, or 192.168.x.x. Don't know about IPv6.
You can also check your IP by visiting one of the special sites like www.whatismyip.com. If the address they tell you is different from the one you see by running "ipconfig" or looking at the connection properties, then you're almost certainly behind a NAT (or your ISP is using a transparent proxy, but that's rare).
If you are directly connected to Internet (no local addresses and NAT), then you should also check if you have any firewall software and either to configure it to allow connections to the port you use, or make sure it's in "ask the user" (and not "silently reject") mode, or just disable it completely (this may put your computer at risk, especially if there is no anti-virus software or the system isn't up-to-date).
Also, is it possible to get a fixed
name for my computer that I can use
instead of entering the IP address, as
this changes every time I connect to
the internet using my mobile phone?
Yes, it's possible. There is the thing called DynDNS, and there are DynDNS providers like DynDNS.com, where you can get a third-level domain name for free (like mycoolpc.dyndns.org). You'll have to install and configure some DynDNS client on your PC that will tell the DynDNS server its new IP each time each changed. I don't know anything about particular clients to use because I'm using the one built-in in my home router.
No need to write networking code for this, unless it really floats your boat. Take a look at SCP. http://amath.colorado.edu/computing/software/man/scp.html. There is a windows implementation where you can download putty (windows ssh client), and it is on most linux distributions. Alternatively, you could set up an FTP or SSH server on one or both of the machines.
"a fixed name for my computer that I can use instead of entering the IP address" would be a domain name, these are purchasable online for a few bucks.