I am a Java developer doing my first steps with JavaScript.
In the next couple of months my Javascript code is going to be pushed to production and had a question about code and application monitoring.
With java (or any major programming language for that matter) there are tools to monitor the application health - logs, exceptions, asserts.. Which once a bug is being opened, provides me more information about the server state.
Or scanning the logs I can tell if there were any issues with the applications.
How do I know what my customers are doing with the UI? How do I send exceptions or logs to my client? Should I do it or it is unnecessary overhead?
What are there coding practices or tools that I can achieve it on the JavasScript side? links to good articles/tutorials around this topic will be highly appreciated.
Most modern browsers have a console available with ctrl-shift-j or ctrl-shift-k (at least on linux), though the grandaddy of such consoles is Firebug, an extension for firefox (et al, but primarily firefox:
http://getfirebug.com/. Especially important to debugging is the use of console.log to write to these consoles for figuring out how far you've gone in the script.
EDIT: missed the bit about server things. I would suggest avoiding nodeJS until you're a bit further in with normal JS.
Lastly, use libraries after you need them if you want a deep understanding of the language
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The error message generally produced by JNLP clients, not least Sun's/Oracle's own Java Web Start client, are generally oriented towards end-users and not very helpful for figuring out the root cause for why they appear.
For instance, when I try to run my JNLP program right now with Oracle's JNLP client, it simply says to me that "The Java security settings have prevented this application from running. You may change this behavior in the Java Control Panel." NetX hasn't been much more helpful either, but it also seems to implement much less of the security model than Oracle's client does, so it would only help so far even if it were.
Is there any good way to find out what security problems it is that I'm actually having? "Read the documentation" is of course the easy answer, but the security model seems rather complex and incorporates many parts. Is there some kind of "lint" tool for JNLP out there that can list the problems I'm having? Or is there some way to run the JNLP client in some kind of debug mode?
I'm not really asking for help with this particular, specific problem. I've been having other problems previously, too, and have mostly only gotten past them by mere guess-work and getting lucky, and I'm still not sure I've solved them correctly.
There is an option to debug the Web Start using -Xdebug
Also this link might be useful if there is any issue while enabling debug
Our development team hosts many different applications both .Net and Java based. Currently, we handle our error logging with Log4J and use emails to alert the development team when problems arise. Currently, we get thousands of alerts a day and it's becoming a little tedious to maintain.
We've been discussing creating a central dashboard for all our apps. The ideal tool would track errors, warnings, info etc. over the life of an application (it doesn't necessarily need to be db driven). The idea is that the data can be viewed on a dashboard, drillable to specific errors with the capability of alerting via emal when triggers and or thresholds are met.
Elmah is good for .Net but we need a tool that could also work for Java EE? What is the best way to go about this? Should we:
Just use Elmah for the .Net apps and find something similar for Java and build our own dashboard to create a united look & feel?
OR
Is there a tool that already exists that we can leverage to do this cross platform?
I've tried looking in Sourceforge but it's difficult to describe what I'm looking for.
I don't think you have a logging problem, I think that you have an integration problem, no matter if it is logging, or any other area your root issue is the same... How do I make my completely different components talk to each other?
There is a lot of approaches, but probably the easiest to implement for different technologies is Web services or REST... You will probably need to have a central logger that you need to implement independently, and then build a Web service/REST interface to which you are going to have to connect to...
Maybe a different line of investigation for you is to see if there is a logging product out in the market that takes web service calls... If that's the case, you only need to change your components to make a service call every time.
Something else that you need to consider is that your remote logging should never superseed your local logging, that's it do both, the reason is very simple, remote calls can fail, so code as if they will fail.
We have been using http://www.exceptional.io/ for error tracking for some time now: it's cheap and extremely simple.
To report errors you just post a json document to its endpoint.
We would be in near future implementing a solution to modernize our iSeries applications
written as RPG programs with some stored procedures, and our preferred way is leveraging the latest and greatest of what Java has to offer in this space.
From googling and checking other questions here on STOVFlow, JTOpen seems to be the defacto
library/toolset which has worked for most and I was encouraged to see that Tomcat runs on an I-series box with out any issues.
With this as the background, I am thinking of the following as the high level sol arch
Install IBM JRE and use JTOpen's capabilities to invoke RPG Programs and in some cases directly call the stored procedures running on DB2
Have Tomcat host a modern web application built using Grails and other frameworks (Camel, Smooks) to provide an application logic layer which would fill any mediations, transformations required for the old functionality to be offered to the user from a browser
Questions-
If any one of you has been involved in such an exercise, please share the pitfalls with this approach
Is there a significant performance drop with respect to response times for the end user?
Would it be better to some how expose the JT400 code as web services and run the web app on a different machine altogether consuming these web services?
Be very careful with calling RPG from Java because RPG is not threadsafe without some changes.
When I was at COMMON, the best product I felt on the market was Profound UI. There are several others from a variety of vendors. Most of these products do not use Java. Java on the i tends to be slow. (There are things that can be done to make it faster, but native is always faster.) You'll pay the price for these products, but just imagine how much time it would take you to do this yourself. For the above, I was quoted in the $20+ thousand range. But like all i products prices vary greatly based on system.
To directly answer your questions:
I have been doing research on modernization as time allows, the products weren't quite there yet (at the time I looked) to use it for what we wanted to use it for (before COMMON 2011). Now it looks like it might work.
This really depends on your system. A newer system will have less problems than an older system. Web will always be slower than the green-screen. Hands-down entry people won't like it. Executives and younger people will love it.
Your slow point is running the business logic. It wouldn't matter which server the HTML is coming from.
I've found that for all practical purposes an AS/400 behaves like an AIX box seen from Java code, and you must use jt400 (jtOpen) to communicate with the AS/400 specific features like data queues, files etc. This works pretty well, but the slowness of invoking the JVM pressures Java based solutions to be long running.
Note also that QTEMP is generally unavailable as a mechanism to keep state due to the nature of prestarted jobs.
Under V6R1 Java 6 is available and runs pretty well in the "new technology" edition. You can then run almost all Java based solutions, including web servers like Jetty in it. Note that Java defaults to code page 819 when accessing IFS files directly. Windows clients using AS/400 as a network drive uses a compatible code page.
We have a Java web application and we'd like to set up some basic monitoring with a view to expanding this monitoring in future. Our plan is as follows:
(1) Collect generic information (e.g. memory and threads) about the virtual machine of the web container that application is running in.
(2) Monitor the "state" of the application. This is rather vague but at the least we'd like to see if the web application is still alive and can respond to requests.
(3) In the future we'd like to collect more information that is specific to our application. Again this is rather vague but you can assume that we might want to make certain statistics collected internally by the application available to the support staff.
Usually the web application will be deployed in a Tomcat 5.5 or 6 environment. A quick bit of searching on the web shows that JMX can be enabled for Tomcat and that JConsole can then be used to connect to the server. This gives us lots of basic information that solves point (1). Also, some information is available in the MBeans section for "Catalina" and drilling down on this I can at least, for example, see how many requests a particular servlet has received. This is not quite what we want for point (2) but at least gives us some information. There seems to be quite a lot of information there but it's rather difficult to interpret using JConsole. Perhaps there is a better tool for interpreting the MBeans exposed by Tomcat.
For point (3), it seems, at first glance that we could write our own MBeans and then make these available to something like JConsole. Personally, this would involve me learning about JMX which I'm quite happy to do but I have a concern. Having looked around I notice that most of the textbooks on the subject haven't been updated for several years and the open source tools seem to be languishing without recent updates. So my main question is a simple one. What are your opinions on JMX? Does it have a future or is it/has it been superseded by something else? Given we already have our web application but we're starting from scratch for the management console, should we choose JMX or is there something more appropriate with a better future ahead of it?
I ask this question with no personal axe to grind, I'm simply interested to hear your opinions and experiences. I'm sure there's no one correct answer but I think an informed discussion would be useful.
Thanks in advance,
Adam.
JMX is certainly a good solution here. I wouldn't worry about it languishing. Most enterprises I've worked for recently use (or have plans to use) JMX, and I'd have to hear a pretty convincing argument before choosing something else in the Java world. It's easy to write clients (monitoring solutions) for it and you can return complex data very easily indeed. Most 3rd party components support monitoring via JMX as well.
Note that you may want to consider integration with any existing management solutions (e.g. Nagios, BNC Patrol, HP Openview etc.) as well. They may not be so Java-aware, but rather prefer tests like simple HTTP connectivity for testing if a web-site is up (easy using Nagios), or integration using SNMP (which Openview talks natively).
If applicable to your situation (Java 6 update 10 JDK or later, plus on the same machine) then consider using jvisualvm instead as it can dig even deeper than JConsole.
You may find that the easiest way to do what you need is a plugin to jvisualvm knowing your application
I recently used a Java Web Start application. I launched it from my web browser using an embedded jnlp link in the page I was viewing. The application was downloaded, launched and worked just fine. It had access to my local file-system and remembered my preferences between restarting it.
What I want to know is why are Java Web Start applications not a more popular delivery format for complex applications on the web? Why do developers often spend considerable time & energy replicating desktop functionality in html/javascript when the power of a desktop application could be delivered more easily using Java & Java Web Start?
I know that in some corporate environments, e.g banking, they are relatively popular ways of delivering complex trading applications to clients, but why are they not pervasive across the web as a whole?
(For the sake of discussion let's assume a world where: download sources are "trusted" & applications are "signed" (i.e. no security concerns), download speeds are fast (load time is quick) and developers know Java (in the numbers they know html/js/php)).
I think the reason is not security nor startup time of the app. Let's understand what's behind the scene before we find out the root cause.
Java Control Panel has settings that allow users to use the default browser's proxy settings or to override them. In other words, infrastructure teams are able to customize the Windows or OS installation images to have JVM pre-installed with enterprise proxy settings. So I believe this is not an issue at all.
Java Web Start actually caches all apps with customizable settings in Java Control Panel. Once the app is cached, the app is "installed" just like other apps. Although first time execution may be slow, the second time will be fast due to JVM's smart memory allocation technique. So start up time could be an issue but a lot of web sites (even enterprise internal) are now migrated to portal. A web portal normally contains lots of unused libraries for development purposes due to the fact that the portal itself does not anticipate what kinds of portlets are built and deployed on a specific page. Therefore, downloading a single portal page could consume up to MBs and complete a page in more than 5 seconds; this is only one page and caching helps up to 30% but there are still lots of HTML/Javascript/CSS components required to download every time. With this, I am sure Java Web Start is an advantage here.
Java Web Start does not download again if it is cached as long as the server copy is NOT upgraded. Therefore, if, e.g. a project management software like MS Project, is completed using SmartClient (similar to JWS), the information exchange between the client and server would be purely data without presentation like browser's full page refresh. Even with the help of Ajax, it doesn't eliminate full page download entirely. Besides, a lot of companies consider Ajax to be immature and unsecured still. That is why Ajax is a hot topic in the circles of developers but not within enterprise software yet. With that in mind, JWS apps definitely have more advantages such as how JWS apps are deployed and executed in sandboxes, signed, and have much more interactive GUI.
Other advantages include faster development (easier to debug in code and performance), responsive user interface (does not require Comet Servers to provide PUSH functionality), and executing faster (for sure because client computers renders GUI without translation like HTML/Javascript/CSS, and less data processing).
After all these, I haven't touched the question yet, why JWS is not so famous?
My opinion is that it is the same as Brian Knoblauch's comment, it's without awareness.
IT folks are too attracted by the hype of Web Technologies, Ajax PUSH, GWT, and all those buzz words make them bias towards the fun of using different technologies or to resolve technical challenges instead of what's really working for the clients.
Take a look at Citrix. I think Citrix is actually a great idea. Citrix allows you to build your own app farms behind the scene. There are tons of upgrade and implementation strategies you can go for without impact to client experience. Citrix deployment is extremely easy, stable and secure. Enterprises are still using it. However, I think JWS is even better than Citrix. The idea of JWS is to run apps on client machines instead of hosting tons of server farms where client machines are capable of running these apps themselves. This saves a company a lot of money!!! With JWS, development team can still build business logic and data on server side. However, without the web processing unit and let the client computers do the rendering process, it greatly reduces the amount of network consumption and server processing power.
Another example of why JWS is an amazing idea is Blackberry MDS. Blackberry apps are actually Java apps translated from Javascript. With BB's MDS studio, you use the GUI tool to build BB app GUI, coding GUI logic in Javascript. Then apps are then translated and deployed on a BES server. Then the BES server will distribute these apps to BB. On each BB, it runs a thin Java App with GUI rendering and networking capability only. Whenever the app requires data, it communicates with the BES through web services to consume services from other servers. Isn't this just JWS BB version? It's been extremely successful.
Finally I think JWS is not popular because of how Sun advertises it. BB never advertises how good their BB Java apps are, they believe clients won't even care what is it. BB advertises the benefits of using MDS to develop apps: Fast, Cost Saving, Business Return.
Just my, a bit long, 2 cents... :)
A major roadblock for Java Webstart is probably that you still need to have a JVM installed before it can even attempt to download and start your application. Everyone has a browser. Not everyone has a JVM.
Edit:
I've since acquired some hands-on webstart experience and can now add these two points:
The Deployment Toolkit script and the modularized JVM released somewhere around Java 1.6u10 make the JVM requirement less problematic since it can automatically download a JVM and the API core and start the program wile downloading the rest.
Web Start is seriously buggy. Even among the Java 1.6 releases there was one which downloaded the entire app every time, and another which downloaded it and then failed with an obscure error message. All in all, I cannot really recommend relying on such a fragile system.
I think it's mostly due to a lack of awareness. It works very well. Quite seamless. App only downloads if it's the first time, there's been an upgrade, or if the end-user has cleared the cache. Great way to deploy full-blown desktop apps that user won't have to worry about manually upgrading!
The problem with Webstart is, that you actually have to 'start' something which isn't at all that fast even with a fast connection, while with a webapp you enter the URL and the app is there.
Also a lot of things can go wrong with webstart. Maybe the intended user doesn't have the privileges needed, or the proxy of webstart is configured wrong, or something went wrong with jre dependencies or there is simply no java installed in the first place. So for the average john doe in the internet it is not at all pleasent.
In controlled environments like a company it is a good and easy solution in many cases.
I've worked on a JWS-deployed application for a few years over a user base of a few thousands and its automatic upgrades are actually a huge pain.
On every update for some reason dozens of users get "stuck in the middle". All you get is the "class not found" exception (if you're lucky), or uninformative "unable to launch" from JWS before it even gets to your code. Looks like the update is half-downloaded. Or, in other words, it does not download and apply the update atomically AND has poor caching so that relaunching the app from the same URL does not fix anything.
There's no way to resolve it other than clearing JWS cache or providing a different URL (e.g. append ?dummyparam=jwssucks at the end). Even I as a developer hit it sometimes and don't see a way around.
When it works, it works. But too often it doesn't, and then it's a huge pain for you and your helpdesk. I would not recommend it for enterprise or mission-critical use.
There is a very big issue namely that it doesn't allow for "start the program instantly and THEN check for and download any updates in the background" deployments, which is what the defacto behaviour of applications are converging to.
I consider this personally so big an annoyance that we are actively looking for another technology which provides that.
From these posts it looks like when using Web start, it is important to make a good care about the server. The "huge pain" of downloading application on every startup may be caused by incorrect time stamp delivered from the server. Here not the application but the server must be configured to use caching properly and not just to disable it. About buggy start, I am not that much sure, but it seems to me that this also may be caused by unreliable connection.
Important advantage of Web start is that it works nicely with OpenJDK under Linux. Clients of some happy developers use Windows only but my clients do not.
HTML and JavaScript, mentioned in the initial question, are lighter approaches that work fine with smaller tasks like animated buttons or even interactive tables. Java niche seems around much more complex tasks.
Java Web Start is kind a successor of Java Applets, and applets got burned around the new millenium.
But, I still think Java Applets are way better than GWT or Javascript hell.
Java Web Start vs Embedded Java Applet