My application is a "thread-per-request" web server with a thread pool of M threads. All processing of a single request runs in the same thread.
Suppose I am running the application in a computer with N cores. I would like to configure M to limit the CPU usage: e.g. up to 50% of all CPUs.
If the processing were entirely CPU-bound then I would set M to N/2. However the processing does some IO.
I can run the application with different M and use top -H, ps -L, jstat, etc. to monitor it.
How would you suggest me estimate M ?
To have a CPU usage of 50% does not necessarily mean that the number of threads needs to be N_Cores / 2. When dealing with I/O the CPU wastes many cycles in waiting for the data to arrive from devices.
So you need a tool to measure real CPU usage and through experiments, you could increase the number of threads until the real CPU usage goes to 50%.
perf for Linux is such a tool. This question addresses the problem. Also be sure to collect statistics system wide: perf record -a.
You are interested in your CPU issuing and executing as many instructions / cycle as possible (IPC). Modern servers can execute up to 4 IPC for intense compute bound workloads. You want to go as close to that as possible to get good CPU utilization, and that means that you need to increase the thread count. Of course if there's many I/O that won't be possible due to many context switches that bring some penalties (cache flushing, kernel code, etc.)
So the final answer would be just increase the thread count until real CPU usage goes to 50%.
It depends enterely on your particular software and hardware.
Hardware is important since if a thread blocks writing to a slow disk it will take long to wake up again (and consume cpu again) but if the disk is really fast the blocking will only switch cpu context but the thread will be running again immediately.
I think you can only try and try with different parameters or the app may monitor it's CPU use itself and adjust the pool dynamically.
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We are seeing a behavior where the performance of the JVM decreases when the load is light. Specifically on multiple runs, in a test environment we are noticing that the latency worsens by around 100% when the rate of order messages pumped into the system is reduced. Some of the background on the issue is below and I would appreciate any help on this.
Simplistically the demo Java trading application being investigated can be thought to have 3 important threads:
order receiver thread,
processor thread,
exchange transmitter thread
Order receiver thread receives the order and puts it on a processor q. the processor thread picks it up from the processor q, does some basic processing and puts it on the exchange q. the exchange transmitter thread picks it up from exchange q and sends order to the exchange.
The latency from the order receipt to the order going out to the exchange worsens by 100% when the rate of orders pumped into the system is changed from a higher number to a low number.
Solutions tried:
Warming up critical code path in JVM by sending high message rate and priming the system before reducing message rate:
Does not solve the issue
Profiling the application:
Using a profiler it shows hotspots in the code where 10 -15% improvement may be had by improving the implementation. But nothing in the range of 100% improvement just obtained by increasing message rate.
Does anyone have any insights/suggestions on this? Could it have to do with the scheduling jitter on the thread.
Could it be that under the low message rate the threads are being switched out from the core?
2 posts I think may be related are below. However our symptoms are a bit different:
is the jvm faster under load?
Why does the JVM require warmup?
Consistent latency for low/medium load requires specific tuning of Linux.
Below are few point from my old check list, which is relevant for components with millisecond latency requirements.
configure CPU core to always run and maximum frequency (here are docs for RedHat)
configure dedicated CPU cores for your critical application threads
Use isolcpus to exclude dedicated cores from scheduler
use taskset to bind critical thread to specific core
configure your service to run in single NUMA node (with numactl)
Linux scheduler and power sampling are key contributor to high variance of latency under low/medium low.
By default, CPU core would reduce frequency if inactive, as consequence your next request is processed slower on downclocked core.
CPU cache is key performance asset if your critical thread is scheduled on different cores it would lose its cache data. Also, other threads schedule for same core would evict cache also increasing latency of critical code.
Under heavy load these factors are less important (frequency is maxed and thread are ~100% busy tending to stick to specific cores).
Though under low/medium load these factors negatively affect both average latency and high percentiles (99 percentile may be order of magnitude worse compared to heavy load case).
For high throughput applications (above 100k request/sec) advanced inter thread communication approach (e.g. LMAX disruptor) are also useful.
(The specifics for this question are for a mod for Minecraft. In general, the question deals with resizing a threadpool based on system load and CPU availability).
I am coming from an Objective C background, and Apple's libdispatch (Grand Central Dispatch) for thread scheduling.
The immediate concern I have is trying to reduce the size of the threadpool when a CMS tenured collection is running. The program in question (Minecraft) only works well with CMS collections. A much less immediate, but still "of interest", is reducing the threadpool size when other programs are demanding significant CPU (specifically, either a screen recorder, or a twitch stream).
In Java, I have just found out about (deep breath):
Executors, which provide access to thread pools (both fixed size, and adjustable size), with cached thread existence (to avoid the overhead of constantly re-creating new threads, or to avoid the worry of coding threads to pause and resume based on workload),
Executor (no s), which is the generic interface for saying "Now it is time to execute this runnable()",
ExecutorService, which manages the threadpools according to Executor,
ThreadPoolExecutor, which is what actually manages the thread pool, and has the ability to say "This is the maximum number of threads to use".
Under normal operation, about 5 times a second, there will be 50 high priority, and 400 low priority operations submitted to the thread pool per user on the server. This is for high-powered machines.
What I want to do is:
Work with less-powerful machines. So, if a computer only has 2 cores, and the main program (two primary threads, plus some minor assistant threads) is already maxing out the CPU, these background tasks will be competing with the main program and the garbage collector. In this case, I don't want to reduce the number of background threads (it will probably stay at 2), but I do want to reduce how much work I schedule. So this is just "How do I detect when the work-load is going up". I suspect that this is just a case of watching the size of the work queue I use when Executors.newCachedThreadPool()
But the first problem: I can't find anything to return the size of the work queue! ThreadPoolExecutor() can return the queue, and I can ask that for a size, but newCachedThreadPool() only returns an ExecutorService, which doesn't let me query for size (or rather, I don't see how to).
If I have "enough cores", I want to tell the pool to use more threads. Ideally, enough to keep CPU usage near max. Most of the tasks that I want to run are CPU bound (disk I/O will be the exception, not the rule; concurrency blocking will also be rare). But I don't want to heavily over-schedule threads. How do I determine "enough threads" without going way over the available cores?
If, for example, screen recording (or streaming) activates, CPU core usage by other programs will go up, and then I want to reduce the number of threads; as the number of threads go down, and queue backlog goes up, I can reduce the amount of tasks I add to the queue. But I have no idea how to detect this.
I think that the best advice I / we can give is to not try to "micro-manage" the number of threads in the thread pools. Set it to sensible size that is proportional to the number of physical cores ... and leave it. By all means provide some static tuning parameters (e.g. in config files), but don't to make the system tune itself dynamically. (IMO, the chances that dynamic tuning will work better than static are ... pretty slim.)
For "real-time" streaming, your success is going to depend on the overall load and the scheduler's ability to prioritize more than the number of threads. However it is a fact that standard Java SE on a standard OS is not suited to hard real-time, so your real-time performance is liable to deteriorate badly if you push the envelope.
I'm new to java multi-threaded programming. The question that has came to my mind is that how many threads can I run according to the number of my CPU cores. and if I run threads more than CPU cores will it be an overhead for the machine to run the app. for example when we have a server machine which has a server software that run 2 threads(main thread + developer thread), will it be an overhead for the server when more simultaneous clients make socket connections to the server or not?
Thanks.
The number of threads a system can execute simultaneously is (of course) identical to the number of cores in the system.
The number of threads that can exist on the system is limited by the available memory (each thread requires a stack and a structure used by the OS to manage the thread), and possibly there is a limitation how many threads the OS allows (this depends on the OS architecture, some OS' may use a fixed size table and once its full no more threads can be created).
Commonly, todays computers can handle hundreds to thousands of threads.
The reason why more threads are used than cores exist in the system is: Most threads will inevitably spend much of their time waiting for some event (example: word processor waiting for user to type on keyboard). The OS manages it that threads that wait in such a manner do not consume CPU time.
Idea behind it is don't let your CPU sleep, neither load it too much that it waste most of time in thread switching.
Its helpful to check Tuning the pool size, In IBMs paper
Idea behind is, it depends on the nature of task, if its all in-memory computation tasks you can use N+1 threads (N numbers of cores (included hyper threading)).
Or
we need to do the application profiling and find out waiting time (WT) , service time (ST) for a typical request and approximately N*(1+WT/ST) number of optimal threads we can have, considering 100% utilization of CPU.
That depends on what the threads are doing. The CPU is only able to do X things at once, where X is the number of cores it has. That means X threads at most can be active at any one time - however the other threads can wait their turn and the CPU will process them at appropriate moments.
You should also consider that a lot of the time threads are waiting for a response, or waiting for data to load, or a network message to arrive, etc so are not actually trying to do anything. These idle/waiting threads have very little load on the system.
Don't worry about getting a higher number of threads than CPU cores; that is actually not in your hands, but in OS'.
Assuming the JVM maps your java threads over OS threads (which is fairly normal these days), it depends on the thread management your OS does. There you rely on how smart the kernel implementation is to get performance out of your cores.
What you must keep in mind is that your design must be sustainable. For example, application servers are built on a threadpool full of worker threads. Those threads are awaken in order to serve requests. Do you want a thread for each request? Then you will surely have a problem - requests can arrive in the thousands to the server, and that could be a problem for the kernel to manage. Actually the threadpool size should be limited (between 1 and X and easily changed even in real time), threads should get work from a concurrent queue (java gives you some excellent classes for that) and each one attend requests sequentially.
I hope that being of help
Having less threads than CPUs can mean you are not using all the CPUs in your system. Having more threads might improve throughput if CPU is your bottleneck.
Having more threads than CPU does introduce an overhead and if CPU is your bottleneck this can hurt performance. However, if network IO, is your bottleneck, this overhead is a price worth paying as it usually allows you to handle many more connections. e.g. You can have 1000 TCP connections with their own threads.
There doesn't have to be any relation. A computer can have any number of cores; a process can have any number of threads.
There are several different reasons that processes utilize threading, including:
Programming abstraction. Dividing up work and assigning each division to a unit of execution (a thread) is a natural approach to many problems. Programming patterns that utilize this approach include the reactor, thread-per-connection, and thread pool patterns. Some, however, view threads as an anti-pattern. The inimitable Alan Cox summed this up well with the quote, "threads are for people who can't program state machines."
Blocking I/O. Without threads, blocking I/O halts the whole process. This can be detrimental to both throughput and latency. In a multithreaded process, individual threads may block, waiting on I/O, while other threads make forward progress. Blocking I/O via threads is thus an alternative to asynchronous & non-blocking I/O.
Memory savings. Threads provide an efficient way to share memory yet utilize multiple units of execution. In this manner they are an alternative to multiple processes.
Parallelism. In machines with multiple processors, threads provide an efficient way to achieve true parallelism. As each thread receives its own virtualized processor and is an independently schedulable entity, multiple threads may run on multiple processors at the same time, improving a system's throughput. To the extent that threads are used to achieve parallelism—that is, there are no more threads than processors—the "threads are for people who can't program state machines" quote does not apply.
The first three bullets utilize threads with no relationship to cores. If you are using threads as a programming abstraction to handle UI elements, for example, you'll have one thread per UI element (or whatever) regardless of whether you have 1 core or 12. Similarly, if you were using threads to perform blocking I/O, you'd scale your thread count with your I/O capacity, not your processing power.
The fourth bullet, however, does relate threads to cores. If the goal of threading is parallelism, then the number of threads should scale linearly with the number of cores. For example, if you double the number of cores in a system, then you would double the number of threads in your application. This is true for cores in the logical sense—that is, including SMT.
When threading is used to achieve parallelism—and this is both a common and the best use of threading—you will often have, say, one or two threads per core. Oftentimes, applications are written so as to dynamically size thread pools off the number of available cores. A single thread per core is ideal, but applications often use a larger multiplier, such as two threads per core, due to bugs and inefficiencies in their code, such as operations that block when none should.
Best performance will be when number of cores(NOC) equals number of thread (NOT), because if NOT > NOC then processor should switch context or OS will try to do that work, which is expensive enough opperation. But you have to understand that it impossible to have NOC = NOT on Web Servers because you can't predict how much clients will be at the same time. Take a look on load balancing concept to solve this issue in best way.
I have a Java application that has a fixed thread pool of fifteen, the machine, Solaris 10 SPARC, has sixteen CPUs. Adding the pool has greatly increased performance, but I'm wondering if I have too many threads in the pool. Would performance be better with less threads or does Solaris do a good job of thread scheduling.
Say the pool is heavily using fifteen CPUs, then other application threads demand CPU for various reason, concurrent garbage collection is a good example. Now, five CPUs are shared between the pool and other application threads. Then CPUs one through seven become free, will Solaris move the threads sharing time on the busy CPUs to the free CPUs?
If not, would it be better to keep the pool size smaller, so that there are always free CPUs for other application threads? Compounding the issue, CPU usage is very sporadic in the application.
If you are doing only cpu intensive tasks (no IO) N+1 threads (where N is the number of cores) will give you the optimum processor utilization.
+1 because you can have a page fault, a therad can be paused to any reason or a small wait time during synchronization.
For Threads doing IO this is not really easy, you have to test the best size.
The book Java concurrency in practice suggests this algorithm as starting point:
N = number of CPUs
U = target CPU utilization (0 <= U <= 1)
W/C = ration of wait time to cpu time (measured through profiling)
threads = N * U * (1 + W/C)
IBM uses the same algorithm in their article Java theory and practice: Thread pools and work queues, with a fixed U=1.
The N+1 fact can be read too in the IBM article, to provide origins for both theses.
It's generally fine to have a few more threads than CPUs, this can actually help overall throughput.
The reason for this is that several threads may be blocked on IO or sleeping at any given time. So having a few more threads ready to execute never hurts.
Generally, if you can establish a 1 to 1 mapping between threads and CPUs, you will get optimal performance. That is assuming that user threads are mapped 1 to 1 with kernel threads. If I recall correctly, Solaris allows multiple kernel threads as well as user threads, so you should be ok in this respect. You will run into bottlenecks when more than one thread is using the same CPU.
As always, the best advice to your question about reducing thread pool size is: "Try and benchmark it." (but I suspect more will be better in this case.)
As for your question about other applications being run, Solaris will use a CPU to alternate between your thread pool and the other application. If a CPU becomes free though, Solaris will move some threads to the free CPU.
EDIT: Here is a link from Sun about how the Solaris and Java thread models interact.
In Java, is there a programmatic way to find out how many concurrent threads are supported by a CPU?
Update
To clarify, I'm not trying to hammer the CPU with threads and I am aware of Runtime.getRuntime().availableProcessors() function, which provides me part of the information I'm looking for.
I want to find out if there's a way to automatically tune the size of thread pool so that:
if I'm running on a 1-year old server, I get 2 threads (1 thread per CPU x an arbitrary multiplier of 2)
if I switch to an Intel i7 quad core two years from now (which supports 2 threads per core), I get 16 threads (2 logical threads per CPU x 4 CPUs x the arbitrary multiplier of 2).
if, instead, I use a eight core Ultrasparc T2 server (which supports 8 threads per core), I get 128 threads (8 threads per CPU x 8 CPUs x the arbitrary multiplier of 2)
if I deploy the same software on a cluster of 30 different machines, potentially purchased at different years, I don't need to read the CPU specs and set configuration options for every single one of them.
Runtime.availableProcessors returns the number of logical processors (i.e. hardware threads) not physical cores. See CR 5048379.
A single non-hyperthreading CPU core can always run one thread. You can spawn lots of threads and the CPU will switch between them.
The best number depends on the task. If it is a task that will take lots of CPU power and not require any I/O (like calculating pi, prime numbers, etc.) then 1 thread per CPU will probably be best. If the task is more I/O bound. like processing information from disk, then you will probably get better performance by having more than one thread per CPU. In this case the disk access can take place while the CPU is processing information from a previous disk read.
I suggest you do some testing of how performance in your situation scales with number of threads per CPU core and decide based on that. Then, when your application runs, it can check availableProcessors() and decide how many threads it should spawn.
Hyperthreading will make the single core appear to the operating system and all applications, including availableProcessors(), as 2 CPUs, so if your application can use hyperthreading you will get the benefit. If not, then performance will suffer slightly but probably not enough to make the extra effort in catering for it worth while.
There is no standard way to get the number of supported threads per CPU core within Java. Your best bet is to get a Java CPUID utility that gives you the processor information, and then match it against a table you'll have to generate that gives you the threads per core that the processor manages without a "real" context switch.
Each processor, or processor core, can do exactly 1 thing at a time. With hyperthreading, things get a little different, but for the most part that still remains true, which is why my HT machine at work almost never goes above 50%, and even when it's at 100%, it's not processing twice as much at once.
You'll probably just have to do some testing on common architectures you plan to deploy on to determine how many threads you want to run on each CPU. Just using 1 thread may be too slow if you're waiting for a lot of I/O. Running a lot of threads will slow things down as the processor will have to switch threads more often, which can be quite costly. I'm not sure if there is any hard-coded limit to how many threads you can run, but I gaurantee that your app would probably come to a crawl from too much thread switching before you reached any kind of hard limit. Ultimately, you should just leave it as an option in the configuration file, so that you can easily tune your app to whatever processor you're running it on.
A CPU does not normally pose a limit on the number of threads, and I don't think Java itself has a limit on the number of native (kernel) threads it will spawn.
There is a method availableProcessors() in the Runtime class. Is that what you're looking for?
Basics:
Application loaded into memory is a process. A process has at least 1 thread. If you want, you can create as many threads as you want in a process (theoretically). So number of threads depends upon you and the algorithms you use.
If you use thread pools, that means thread pool manages the number of threads because creating a thread consumes resources. Thread pools recycle threads. This means many logical threads can run inside one physical thread one after one.
You don't have to consider the number of threads, it's managed by the thread pool algorithms. Thread pools choose different algorithms for servers and desktop machines (OSes).
Edit1:
You can use explicit threads if you think thread pool doesn't use the resources you have. You can manage the number of threads explicitly in that case.
This is a function of the VM, not the CPU. It has to do with the amount of heap consumed per thread. When you run out of space on the heap, you're done. As with other posters, I suspect your app becomes unusable before this point if you exceed the heap space because of thread count.
See this discussion.